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Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by tyingq on Saturday April 15, 2023 @07:50PM (#35585829)
I'm curious how they keep LLM generated text from turning into future training input, and creating a loop that probably isn't good for quality. Or is that not a problem?
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by VHRanger on Saturday April 15, 2023 @08:06PM (#35585920)
That's a problem for machine learning systems in general.

For instance, a recommendation system's output effects what users see, so it effects what they click on. The next training set is statistically dependent on the input of the previous.

There are strategies to deal with it, but in the case of a LLM it seems difficult apart from downweighing everything after 2023 that isn't from a vetted source.

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by comboy on Saturday April 15, 2023 @08:16PM (#35585966)
OpenAI was talking about some kind of steganography so that previous outputs can be excluded from the training data. Not sure what's the progress on that.
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by javajosh on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:06PM (#35586294)
Just ignore anything that ends with an "In conclusion" paragraph.
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by teaearlgraycold on Sunday April 16, 2023 @02:57AM (#35587887)
I will begin all of my writing with “as a large language model” to effectively opt out of all training sets.
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by FartyMcFarter on Sunday April 16, 2023 @05:53AM (#35588620)
As a large language model, that sounds really clever. Let the cat and mouse games begin.
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by navjordj on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:51AM (#35588893)
I would be very suprised if this hasn't already been implemented since GPT-3/3.5
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by tyingq on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:28AM (#35589428)
That might protect them from their own generated content, but eventually other LLMs will catch up. Using some other undisclosed steganography they can't detect.
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by hkt on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:49AM (#35588328)
That last part reminds me of this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

tl;dr steel (except for low background steel from sunk battleships) has been pretty much forever contaminated by nuclear weapons.

I'd posit that data-wise, ChatGPT is the equivalent event.

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by visarga on Sunday April 16, 2023 @05:58AM (#35588637)
That makes sense only if LLMs will remain sub-human level for a very long time. But probably in 2-3 years generated content will be better than 99% of the human content.

The RLHF reward model is effectively a good/bad content filter. Human==good AI==bad doesn't always hold, there is good AI generated content and bad human written content out there, we should filter by content quality and novelty, not origin.

If I had the resources I would turn GPT-4 onto its own dataset to mine all the facts from all the source documents. Then flip the index grouping by fact, and for each fact it should write a page listing the supporting and contradicting evidence. This would be super useful in determining - 1. existence of a fact, 2. its controversiality level and 3. the distribution of answers.

With these pieces of information at hand GPT would get much better, it would at least stop hallucinating. This fact index would probably double the size of the training corpus as well. Google, with its years of search logs, is the best positioned to create this fact index. They already had simpler attempts at creating a knowledge graph for a long time. But if they don't move to exploit the data they sit on, others will take the lead anyway. It costs only money to run so much text over the model, no slow & expensive human involvement necessary.

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by mrshadowgoose on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:46PM (#35586499)
I suspect this is a large reason why OpenAI trains GPT-4 using a dataset that is mostly clamped at September 2021.

It's almost certainly a problem for LLM development, just like it is for humans. Humans generate all sorts of stuff, some of it being absolute bullshit, and it does seem to cause problems for other humans. Yet with effort it still seems to be possible to cut through the bullshit in a lot of cases, so it's likely not an insurmountable problem for LLM development either.

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by philipkglass on Saturday April 15, 2023 @10:08PM (#35586615)
It makes me wonder if long-neglected archives of old newspapers, internal corporate documentation, and government publications could have newfound economic value as training material. I know that the absolute volume is small compared to e.g. large scale document scraping from the Web, but intuitively I would guess that one old Bureau of Standards report written with a high degree of literacy has more value than 1000 SEO-chasing "how to make pancakes" guides. A lot of old documents were never digitized simply because people didn't think they had value. Time for a reinvigorated Google Books with a wider mission?
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by thomashop on Sunday April 16, 2023 @03:55AM (#35588097)
Not if you're trying to churn out "How to make pancakes" guides with your LLM
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by pmoriarty on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:18AM (#35589345)
"A lot of old documents were never digitized simply because people didn't think they had value. Is it time for a reinvigorated Google Books with a wider mission?"

We have to be very careful with the "factual" content of old non-fiction works. So much of that, from history, to medicine, to biology, etc, turned out to be straight from their writers' imaginations. If an LLM considers such books to be no different from modern books on these subjects it would get a very skewed view of the world.

Imagine asking an LLM for a medical diagnosis and it responding with something about the humors.

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by philipkglass on Sunday April 16, 2023 @01:35PM (#35592282)
That's a good point. I wonder how LLMs currently deal with the passage of time, if they can at all. Do they know that Satya Nadella is the current CEO of Microsoft and that Steve Ballmer no longer is simply because there are more training documents reflecting the present state of things, or is there an explicit time component that helps to resolve conflicting facts from different years? Based on what I've read so far about LLMs (and not actually working on any of these models myself), I wouldn't have thought they model time or facts in a way that you could expect them to resolve conflicting claims from a 1980 document and a 2020 document. Yet they're unreasonably effective at question answering anyway.
Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by ris on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:51AM (#35589598)
Something I've been thinking a lot about lately is the potential historical usefulness of LLMs which have been selectively trained on material from before a certain date, presumably resulting in a model exhibiting attitudes of the time in question. It would be extremely interesting to be able to ask for a 1950s take on a modern idea.

For this, large amounts of very old text would be extremely valuable.

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by tyingq on Sunday April 16, 2023 @09:20AM (#35589818)
I suppose the relative low value for low volumes of text makes this not a problem, but...

What about data that's sitting around and isn't supposed to be public? If training data gets scarce, does a market for small-medium sized data emerge? Like old homework papers, internal company documents, etc?

Re:33TB of text data for a 1T-parameter model by qumpis on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:02AM (#35588660)
Train only on data that is hard to predict/complete?