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Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by criddell on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:08PM (#35576730)
GM is expecting $20-25 billion in annual subscription revenue by 2030. Dropping CarPlay and Android Auto will definitely lose them many sales. They are betting the lost sales will be less than the new subscription revenue.
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by function_seven on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:28PM (#35576820)
Yeah I think they’re fever dreaming at those recurring revenue projections. Ditching the phone integrations will have them selecting for buyers who don’t care about the Infotainment Experience (ugh), either because they just wait the basics, or they can’t afford to be picky or whatever. Then they imagine that these buyers—who didn’t care enough about the big screen in the dash to include it in their buying decision—will pay hundreds of dollars each year to rent an off-brand version of those same features.

Someone over there has fond memories of OnStar, and is desperate to relive their glory days.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by bigmattystyles on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:32PM (#35577137)
You say fever dream, I say business consultant getting paid big bucks to present and run focus groups for an idea that doesn’t pass the smell test. Seriously though, car company made infotainment systems are the biggest reason they shouldn’t be trusted with more life or death software like self driving. They’re all atrocious.
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by crote on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:01PM (#35576979)
I genuinely wonder how they justify that figure. They could maybe justify a subscription if they offered a significant service, but they are by definition going to deliver a worse experience than CarPlay/Android Auto - simply due to it not being your own smartphone.

Why would anyone buy an expensive car which is designed to last a decade while it has essential pre-installed features locked behind a subscription? If they want recurring revenue that badly, they should just lease it out.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by bombcar on Saturday April 15, 2023 @07:10AM (#35579511)
They're going to turn what are currently add-ons/upgrades/options into subscriptions just like BWM or whoever it was did.

No more $3k package to add heated seats, just upgrade OnStar to OnStarPrime+ for $49.95/mo!

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by criddell on Saturday April 15, 2023 @07:36AM (#35579678)
They mention subscription revenue but they don’t mention monetization of the data they collect. That’s probably at least half of it.
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by vanilla_nut on Saturday April 15, 2023 @08:20AM (#35579955)
The figure is utterly ridiculous. They truly expect to generate a revenue stream 2x the size of Spotify or AirPods? Apple as a whole only makes 21B a year from all services, and they run everything from cloud storage, to synchronization, to an App Store with a wild profit margin from fees.

Of course, all American auto makers have wildly unrealistic plans for electric vehicle adoption in the next 5 years, too -- i think one of them is predicting $600B of revenue from EVs before 2030, when they currently only make a few million a year. Their finance departments must have some good drugs in the water coolers.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by LeifCarrotson on Saturday April 15, 2023 @10:23AM (#35580871)
What's more ludicrous is that they expect to generate a revenue stream 1/6th the size of their entire automotive enterprise. You'll pay $300/mo for a car payment, and $40/mo for OnStar Audio, and $10/mo will be earned from selling your data and showing ads on your nav system.
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by metaphor on Saturday April 15, 2023 @11:04AM (#35581253)
> Apple as a whole only makes 21B a year from all services, and they run everything from cloud storage, to synchronization, to an App Store with a wild profit margin from fees.

Correct on "wild profit margin", but your numbers are wrong according to FY22 10-K filing[1]:

  Services Revenue       = $78.129B
  Services Cost of Sales = $22.075B
  Services Gross Margin  = 71.7% ($56.054B)
[1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/0000320193220...
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by vanilla_nut on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:33AM (#35600438)
Thanks for the fact check. Looks like I accidentally grabbed quarterly numbers instead of yearly. At least it's the correct order of magnitude :)
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by phpisthebest on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:08AM (#35580297)
I dont think you understand what the plan is...

Every feature on the car will be a subscription... Heated Seats, Fast Charging, Nav, everything

Of course they will be "free" for the first 3-5 years of ownership, the free is non-transferable to a new owner... and you will be able to get the GM+ All Access Plan to "unlock your car's full potential for only $500 a year".....

This is not a GM thing, this is the dream of all Auto Makers..

You may "buy" the car, but you are not "buying" the software that runs the car...

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by Spivak on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:51AM (#35580628)
One of the benefits of "economy" cars. More reliable than the high-end models and they can't pull this crap because it would lose them money as their customer base can't afford it.

This is why I'm really skeptical of mandating EVs without consumer protection because this seems to be the point where automakers are seeing dollar signs and can force buyers into higher price brackets.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by phpisthebest on Saturday April 15, 2023 @12:31PM (#35582123)
I think attempting to solve a problem that is created by government regulations by creating more government regulations is crazy...

There should be no EV mandate, then there would not need to be consumer protections as the market would do what is does best and allow manufacturers to compete on the merits of the vehicles not by the government choosing what we should be allowed to drive.

I think there are already too many regulations on the manufacture of cars.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by muti on Saturday April 15, 2023 @08:29PM (#35586048)
Which regulations would you like to get rid of or change?
Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by phpisthebest on Monday April 17, 2023 @07:05AM (#35599116)
Federally, all of them. I dont think it is a role for the federal government. The only plausible authority it the continued in proper use of the commerce clause to justify all federal action.

At the state level I think the only regulations should be those around direct safety concerns (like air bags, lights, etc). Efficiency or other non-safety related regulations should be disallowed. Further safety regulations should be limited safe operations for other drivers sharing the road, not passenger protection (outside of regulations on truth in advertising, product defect)... passenger protection should be a market dynamic, coupled with greater tort reform to be able to hold liable manufacturers for their marketing claims.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by AceJohnny2 on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:09PM (#35577021)
"expecting"

We'll see how that pans out.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by kotaKat on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:17PM (#35577057)
GM is /forcing/ the revenue.

GM previously attempted to force an additional upfront 3 year OnStar purchase on top of the vehicle purchase on some Buick/GMC/Cadillacs. They walked it mostly back, but they still rolled that stupid-ass idea out.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/gm-makes-1500-onstar-subscript...

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by hamburglar on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:24PM (#35577106)
This sounds a little like designing their cars to only work with a proprietary formulation of gasoline and “expecting” to automatically capture all the revenue that third party gas stations are making right now.

Consumers aren’t stupid enough to think they should be paying subscription fees to GM for infotainment features when they have other, often free, options.

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by hedora on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:04PM (#35577275)
No, you must be mistaken!

Their spokesperson says all their cars come with 8 years of free service!

Unless they’re lying to their customers revenue won’t stop ramping until 2032 or so.

Presumably the SEC filings and investor facing statements they are making are in error instead.

/s

Re:‘A huge blunder’: GM’s decision to ditch CarPlay, Android... by asdfman123 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:27AM (#35578138)
I’ve got an idea for GM cars: lock passengers inside after every trip unless they pay $5. Instant revenue. I can’t believe they haven’t considered this.