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Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by joemazerino on Friday April 14, 2023 @06:44PM (#35575823)
Weird anecdote but okay? My original comment on the stabbing story did wonder if it was targeted or random. Either way, passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities.

The only thing worse than evil men is the indifference of good men.

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by WrtCdEvrydy on Friday April 14, 2023 @06:47PM (#35575850)
> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities.

This happens all the time... wanna see something fun, walk around your city saying "hi" to everyone and see how often you get a "hi" back.

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by joemazerino on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:02PM (#35575975)
I know well what it is like living in the city. I've done it for 18 years :)

It is too bad people aren't cordial anymore.

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by kelp on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:43PM (#35576249)
Also in SF seeing someone struggling to stand on the sidewalk is not uncommon.

Everyone just starts to assume that person is drunk, on drugs, whatever.

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by DonHopkins on Friday April 14, 2023 @06:51PM (#35575885)
I'm not indifferent to the evil men trying to spread misinformation and exploit and co-opt the death of Bob Lee for their own political agenda and pre-existing narratives, before and even after they know the actual cause.

https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-crazy-bob-mobilecoi...

>Bob Lee deserved better than to be killed — and then co-opted in death

>[...] The decent thing to do is acknowledge a tragedy, express sorrow for those who have lost a treasured individual, and let the police do their work with all due haste — and then we can begin politicizing this poor man’s death to buttress our preexisting worldview.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/san-francisco-da-brooke-jenkin...

>San Francisco DA Slams Elon Musk’s ‘Reckless’ Statements on Bob Lee’s Death

>San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins, who ousted her progressive predecessor in a recall vote last year, slammed Elon Musk on Thursday for spreading “misinformation” about the slaying of Cash App founder Bob Lee. Musk was among several people who suggested Lee’s murder was the result of random, violent crime spiraling out of control in the city under Jenkins. But police announced Thursday that they had arrested and charged a 38-year-old man who knew Lee. “I must point out that reckless and irresponsible statements like those contained in Mr. Musk’s tweet that assumed incorrect circumstances about Mr. Lee’s death serve to mislead the world and their perceptions of San Francisco and also negatively impact the pursuit of justice for victims of crime as it spreads misinformation at a time when police are trying to solve a very difficult case,” Jenkins said. “We all should and must do better about not contributing to the spread of such misinformation without having actual facts to underlie the statements that we make.” The suspect, Nima Momeni, was reportedly in a car with Lee and stabbed him after a fight in the early hours of April 4.

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by joemazerino on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:01PM (#35575971)
Be honest in your statements here: it happens on both sides of the aisle.
Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by matt_kantor on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:56PM (#35576662)
Maybe I missed some nuance, but I don't see where DonHopkins implied otherwise.
Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by DonHopkins on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:34AM (#35577888)
Just knee-jerk whataboutism from somebody who's confessing that what I said applies to them too. His implication is that what the "other side" did justifies what he did.

The larger point is that even after he knows the actual cause, he still doesn't stop trying to spread misinformation and exploit and co-opt the death of Bob Lee for his own political agenda and pre-existing narratives.

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by dang on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:00PM (#35576329)
> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities

We don't know what was happening in those cases. For example, we don't know those passers-by did or didn't actually see. Let's not make the same mistake all over again of projecting our pre-existing narrative onto a paucity of facts. (I don't mean to pick on you personally. We all do this, of course.)

Edit: There's a long history of belief about bystander apathy which hasn't held up under scrutiny. Related:

Surveillance cameras debunk the bystander effect - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20417986 - July 2019 (161 comments)

Killer of Kitty Genovese Dies in Prison (Origin of “Bystander Effect”) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11430051 - April 2016 (3 comments)

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by joemazerino on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:05PM (#35582430)
Bob Lee did approach a car to show his stab wound. The car drove off.

https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-sho...

Re:Suspect Nima quizzed Bob Lee on inappropriate behavior wi... by dang on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:33PM (#35583850)
Yes, I know - but unless I'm mistaken, we don't actually know what the driver saw.