News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by VHRanger on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:13AM (#35569225)
How is HN falling for this again, barely 24h after the Bob Lee story showed how this forum is prone to these narratives?

The very first link in the article from StatsCan is "Canada's crime rate: Two decades of decline". It says the opposite of what the NP article is quoting it for.

This misquotation is followed by a series of anectodes, and backed up by the intellectual weight of... an opinion survey.

The multiple of anecdote is not "data".

The correct title for this article is "people believe there is an increase in crime", for which articles like this is the reason.

Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by alephxyz on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:25AM (#35569325)
That link only has data until 2013. Violent crimes start trending up after 2014: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article...
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by Pxtl on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:45AM (#35569513)
"Bob Lee story" ? I missed that one.
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by invalidname on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:12PM (#35571184)
He was stabbed in San Francisco. Everyone and their mother complained about the crime and homeless problems there and blamed the "progressive policies" for his death. Musk too chimed in obviously...

Turns out the main suspect is another tech guy who probably did that. Not a homeless criminal and not fault of these "progressive policies". Crickets, no one walks back all the terrible things they said.

Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by Pxtl on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:53PM (#35571702)
Ah, tx. I saw the first part, didnt see the 2nd one.
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by 0xdeadfa65 on Friday April 14, 2023 @06:21PM (#35575577)
How does this exonerate progressive policies? Didn’t no one bother to stop and help him out? You’re jumping the logic there
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by zs234465234165 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:34AM (#35580503)
Turns out sf is totally safe and doesnt have a homeless or crime problem at all
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by invalidname on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:39AM (#35580542)
Not what I said. The fact that you would choose to make a straw-man argument instead of a proper debate speaks volumes.

The fact is a person was stabbed to death and was begging people for help. Why didn't they help? Maybe because people pushed it into their head that it's all crime and that we shouldn't help strangers. Yes. Homeless people in SF are sometimes scary as hell, I know and I don't blame the people who didn't help. But adults discuss facts and reach conclusions based on factual detail. Not based on fitting into ones political narrative.

Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by zs234465234165 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:48AM (#35580609)
The straw-man here is you cherry picking the San Francisco Bob story to refute the problem of a rise in crime in Canada
Re:Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's ... by invalidname on Saturday April 15, 2023 @09:50AM (#35580622)
Where did I proclaim it refuted that?