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Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by chii on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:24AM (#35568200)
> Australia is a continent, so it cannot be an island by definition

So the reason greenland being an island is due to definition then? Which makes the concept of an island moot, as it's driven via definition, rather than criteria.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by hutzlibu on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:30AM (#35568245)
"So the reason greenland being an island is due to definition then?"

Isn't everything, including criteria?

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by mahathu on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:44AM (#35568343)
No, it's the difference between normative and descriptive categorizations.
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by CRConrad on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:48AM (#35625056)
But deciding that some concept A is defined by criterion / set-of-criteria B is itself normative, a definition by fiat.
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by iso1631 on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:43AM (#35568340)
The unambigious definition would be a contiguous landmass surrounded by water at sealevel, which would be in descending order of area

Afro-Eurasia *

Americas *

Antarctica

Australia landmass

Greenland

* This of course depending on how rivers and man-made canals of Suez, Panama, and other canals like Kiel, or ones linking rivers, are treated, there could be arguments that Suez should be included (no locks), but Panama shouldn't be, or all should be, or none should be, or Suez and Panama should be, etc

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by layer8 on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:50AM (#35568401)
Countries are defined by convention as well; that doesn’t make them a moot concept.

That aside, there is actually a rather good criteria-based definition for continents vs. islands: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35568455

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by pc86 on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:43AM (#35568918)
What the difference between definition and criteria?
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by chii on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:35AM (#35569408)
a criteria can be applied to something to find out if it fits - a definition is by fiat (without the use of any criteria).
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by CRConrad on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:46AM (#35625037)
> Which makes the concept of an island moot, as it's driven via definition, rather than criteria.

So all concepts that are "driven via definition, rather than criteria" are moot?

Isn't that... All of them?