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Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by PurpleRamen on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:17AM (#35555823)
Nuclear power in France works so fine, they need to shut them down in summer because of cooling-problems. Instead, they buy from Germany, which surprise, has no problems at all in Summer to cover even other countries demand.
Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by Krssst on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:31AM (#35556052)
Nuclear in France worked very well for decades although it had some hiccups last year. Meanwhile German coal plants are still working despite the considerable installed renewable capacity.

Having so much available renewable electricity that German coal plants would almost shut down for a few days would be a newsworthy event. For France not burning coal is just a regular day (except for last year's hiccups).

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by PurpleRamen on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:05AM (#35556598)
True, but Germany is shutting down coal too. There is just a bit of delay, for multiple reasons, but mostly because of war and politics.
Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @12:40PM (#35558202)
That couldn't be more false. Coal burning in Germany is at its peak. They're even tearing down old villages to mine coal.
Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by PurpleRamen on Thursday April 13, 2023 @03:45PM (#35561133)
The current peak is because of Russia. Coal is used to replace gas, on which they had not much choice. And this peak is supposed to stop in summer. We will see if it will work out. But the phase-out is a long investment and the current plan targets 2038, so it is there. A crucial point is, coal is an important part of some industries, and they have started moving hard to replace it there, so there is a good chance it will work this time. They already tried that 20 years ago, until some corrupt people figured out it's more profitable to move slow, as nobody cared anyway.
Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @05:08PM (#35562081)
>The current peak is because of Russia.

No. It's also because they moronically shut down nuclear right after Russia happened instead of keeping it longer. Since they can't replace gas too easily, the coal peak will be longer into the future not just current.

>Coal is used to replace gas

No. Coal is used to generate electricity. Do you know what else they could have used to generate electricity? Nuclear.

The reasoning you provided is just the same ol' anti-nuclear propaganda spewed all over German politics and media: "Oh, it's Russia's fault. We can only use coal. Never nuclear."

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by PurpleRamen on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:39AM (#35567033)
> No. Coal is used to generate electricity.

No, in the first place it's used to generate heat, which is also used for generating electricity, but also to heat up homes and other systems. Nuclear Plants are simply not in a location where they can serve this purpose.

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by themaninthedark on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:23PM (#35572927)
Germany is centrally burning gas and then distributing the heat to houses? And they had to switch their gas plants over to coal because Russia?

I thought they just restarted old coal plants.

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by PurpleRamen on Saturday April 15, 2023 @06:15PM (#35585136)
Yes, it's called district heating or teleheating. And generally is heat also a form of energy used in some other processes, not just for heating up buildings or streets. Energy-politic is far more complex than electricity and building big plants.
Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by Schroedingersat on Thursday April 13, 2023 @03:13PM (#35560631)
And the year before. And the year before that. And a few years before that. And a decade before that.

All while accumulating massive debts and deferred maintenance (and relying on german coal).

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by Krssst on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:21PM (#35571292)
Last year was bad but things looked fine before. Export some days, import some others. Deferred maintenance was because of COVID.

I'd rather my country have debts than burn coal in large amount for decade (likely decades) to come.

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by polotics on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:08AM (#35556645)
Massive "citation needed" on this. The German Energiwende is a total catastrophe, the story about lack of water for plants is a tall tale. Here's a start: https://jancovici.com/en/energy-transition/societal-choices/...
Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday April 13, 2023 @03:50PM (#35561189)
That article is from May 2013, last updated somewhere in 2017 and mostly contains graphs up to 2014, with very few exceptions going to 2016.

Which makes me think it fails to paint the whole picture, given the events in the following decade. In all dimensions. Be it nuclear phase out, be it geopolitical changes and instability because of war and broken supply chains, be it coal and climate, or the blow-up of Northstream and switching to LNG, be it extension of wind and solar...

Sorry, but mostly useless pretty pictures, considering all the changes that happened meanwhile.

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by polotics on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:42PM (#35563698)
What changes happened? Can you be more specific?

All I can see is:

Russia invaded Ukraine, the great German idea of relying on Russian gas to manage the intermitent nature of Energiewende dreams went down the drain.

Even more coal and lignite were dug up, more burnt ashes with plenty of radioactive particles were put in German air for all to inhale.

LNG terminals were built to import x3 price American shale gas, making our collective CO2 blanket even thicker...

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:59PM (#35563828)
Well...for one I'm missing the changing proportions of wind and solar in relation to gas/oil/nuclear. That has changed, and not in small parts.

No matter how you see it, the picture is incomplete then, not up to date. That's not a good base for discussion.

Re:Germany to switch off last remaining nuclear power plants by hokkos on Thursday April 13, 2023 @06:25PM (#35562960)
Only 0,18% of annual production lost over rivers heating regulation in 2022, when someone talks about that being important in the french nuclear context, I know for sure that this person doesn't know what he is talking about.

https://medias.vie-publique.fr/data_storage_s3/rapport/pdf/2...