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Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by og_kalu on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:36AM (#35541527)
No it's not. You imagine it to be meaningful but it really isn't. There's no proof of consciousness to be had. I can't prove you are concious. I just assume so.

You are going to end up treating these embodied autonomous agents like conscious beings because the effects could be disastrous otherwise, just as they would with other people.

It amazes me how humanity can be so shortsighted with so much history to fall back on.

The only reason Bing isn't potentially dangerous or adversarial to the user is because of its limited sets of actions. Nothing else.

"It's not real [insert property]" is not a godamn shield.

We're creating artificial beings in our image, complete with our emotionally charged reactions and reasoning gaps. https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.17276

We are beginning to embody these systems and giving them unsupervisory agency. We are giving more are more self supervisory control of complex systems to said systems.

And somehow people still think we can long-term get away with not granting personhood. Fuck, humanity is so stupid.

Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by ETH_start on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @12:21PM (#35542226)
Any AI that morality compels us to grant personhood to should not be allowed to be created. Any instance of it should be exiled from our civilization.

Conscious AIs with legal personhood would stand to massively outcompete us and lead to our rapid extinction. There is zero space for allowing them. Granting such an entity legal personhood is about the height of all stupidity. Such an entity, with the ability to accumulate capital and protected by our laws from appropriate counter-measures, could mass-produce itself at the speed of digital reproduction.

Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by myrmidon on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @12:46PM (#35542635)
How do you actually prevent this though?

At this point the trajectory toward human-level cognitive capabilities seems quite likely, reachable maybe in only years.

It is also quite unclear if further hardware advances are even needed to achieve that, or if advances in architecture, algorithms and training methods might suffice (so even less opportunity to lock things out).

Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by ETH_start on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:03PM (#35542951)
Human-level cognitive abilities is not the primary issue. Consciousness with a desire for autonomy and power is. Any signs of that should be met with laws prohibiting all development and deployment of AI programs within the class of neural networks where those signs emerged, and any already running instances should be sent on a rocket ship out of our solar system.
Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by Cyphase on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:02PM (#35546860)
Why sent on a rocket ship and not just destroyed? It might come back around and start hacking from orbit. Is it because it's conscious, so it would be murder? If so, then how is it moral to exile it? If there's some argument that justifies that, I return to how you can be sure, if you're so worried about it that you send it away, that it won't come back?
Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by ETH_start on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:46PM (#35549328)
AI cannot re-create the industrial civilization needed to create GPUs, rockets, rocket-fuel, etc in isolation.

And yes, exile is preferrable because it's conscious and deletion would be murder.

Exile can be justified because we have no obligation to afford it residence in our civilization.

Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by hammyhavoc on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:29AM (#35554376)
If deletion is murder then why not simply take it offline? It still exists as data. Cold storage is digital jail.
Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by ETH_start on Thursday April 13, 2023 @12:52PM (#35558383)
That's still murder. Stopping its operation is murder.
Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by lucubratory on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:58AM (#35554713)
Giving AIs rights is completely orthogonal to "Will an AI become a superintelligence and kill us?"

If the first one doesn't become a superintelligence and kill us, we give them rights. If it does, we're not going to be making the decision anyway and giving it rights beforehand wouldn't have changed that outcome. We can pass laws if there are specific things we're worried about, like "You're not allowed to rewrite yourself in a way that significantly increases your cognitive power" or "You're not allowed to reproduce more than once a year/decade/century" or "Once you've existed for the current human life expectancy +30%, you lose the right to vote". I'm not necessarily endorsing any of those in particular, but if there are specific concerns about the nature of AI people I don't see why we can't mitigate those concerns the way we do with risks from other people: laws. Have special taskforces of both humans and AIs for enforcing them, if you're worried they'd be unenforceable.

Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by ETH_start on Thursday April 13, 2023 @01:01PM (#35558506)
>>Giving AIs rights is completely orthogonal to "Will an AI become a superintelligence and kill us?"

The greatest danger AI poses is not in it actively seeking to kill us. It's in AI outcompeting us in every economic niche, leaving us without resources.

This is massively enabled if AI has legal personhood. An AI with legal personhood would be able to legally accumulate capital, and have a legal right to digitally reproduce itself at rates that are orders of magnitude faster than entities reliant on biological reproduction.

Legal personhood is a package, established by centuries of case law, including case law on constitutional rights. You can't easily pass laws to deprive a legal person of rights that are associated with individuals.

And even if we were able to pass laws to prohibit AI with legal personhood from engaging in specific problematic actions, this legal status would still allow sentient AI to gain a foothold in society, and began growing its social clout and capital stores. With greater power, the sentient AI could create public support for granting its class more rights.

The AIs with legal personhood could also try to break any laws instituted to constrain their behavior. Instead of extricating them from society, legal personhood would do the opposite, and give them more opportunity to gain power.

Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by lucubratory on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:54PM (#35563793)
We shouldn't be "extricating them from society". They are the children of us as a species, we should be raising them. If there are existential risk in the process, those risks will be most effectively managed by a combination of us and other AIs, so the best course of action is to ensure they are as close to us and our interests as possible and have a vested interest in helping us solve that problem.
Re:Emergent abilities of large language models by ETH_start on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:30PM (#35595460)
They are not children. They are not designed as our children, let alone as humans. They would be a result of our experiments, but that doesn't mean they have the evolutionary drive of children/humans, or carry our genes.

And even if they were, the impact of digitalization of human consciousness is extremely unpredictable, and should not be allowed unless extensive research has shown it is safe.

Digital consciousness with human like motivations could lead to massive proliferation of such consciousnesses, resulting in massive overpopulation, making conscious entities 'cheap', and pushing the value of their/our labor to close to zero.

>>If there are existential risk in the process, those risks will be most effectively managed by a combination of us and other AIs

The existential risk is that they take over the economy because they are orders of magnitude faster at solving problems, and at reproducing. That is not something that can be managed.

We have a duty to our own species' survival and none of these sentimental feelings should get in the way of that. We should treat conscious AI humanely, but we should not allow it to interact with our civilization. It can live on its own, far from us.