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Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by Waterluvian on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:10AM (#35538370)
I wonder how brands like Nike manage to stay “cool” for generations but basically every social tech brand has a shelf life.
Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by johannes1234321 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:22AM (#35538492)
Many fashion brands come and go, only few stick. Some go through deep valleys of pain in between.

Fashion brands use marketing, in the sports market to sponsoring. For Nike the relationship to Michael Jordan for instance certainly was a major driver. For Adidas Kanye West became a major pain.

Social Media platforms try the same. They try to get famous people on their platform. Instagram seems to do quite well in that space (I don't have an account there) while Twitter on the one side and TikTok, YouTube and Twitch on the other try to get people on their platforms.

But then it's different: In sports sponsorship you can focus on one side of the person, their atheltic skills. On social media they eventually shout out their views on things, which might upset people and damage reputation. Of both, the person and the platform.

Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by jollofricepeas on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:48AM (#35538800)
Fashion brands remain relevant by leveraging scarcity and tightly controlling supply.

They also cycle their top talent.

Facebook does neither of these.

If LVMH were to design social networks, they’d look nothing like what Facebook has developed and more like members only clubs with glass windows.

Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by luckylion on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:15AM (#35538416)
They are tools you can use to signal status because they are expensive. You can't do that with Facebook etc.

Social media is ultimately not selling status though, they make money by reaching as many people as possible and you have to lower the entry fee to achieve that.

Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by Waterluvian on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:19AM (#35538459)
That makes sense. And a business whose only moat is, "we have the most people" will always be a fleeting one.
Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by hoseja on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:25AM (#35538531)
Nike sells product you can buy and there is a limit to how good a shoe you can make that we've been exploring for the past couple millennia.

Socials need to find worse and worse ways to advertise so line can go up and there are new paradigm-shifting features invented all the time.

Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by ModernMech on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:44AM (#35541651)
Nike makes shoes and other sports related stuff. If you don't want Nike, don't buy Nike.

FAANG on the other hand aspires to infect every single facet of my life, and they have some glib self-serving narrative about how not only are they right to do so, they have the moral imperative. And so what do they do? They track every single aspect of my life that they can, the invade my privacy, they leak my data, they bilk me for cash at every opportunity. Dark patterns, bad UI, run arounds on the phone, locking out of accounts. I'm sorry but this entire industry is completely fucked, and it's only getting worse. As someone who has been in tech since the 80s, the scene is done. It's been overrun by vultures, bankers, and billionaires with more money than ethics, and they think you are just an NPC in their world, where they are celebrities, kings, and gods.

That is why social tech brands have a shelf life, because none of them can resist the dark side. Nike has a dark side, but at least when I take them off my shoes aren't trying to take over my life.

Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by NickC25 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:12PM (#35543127)
I think one of the reasons is that as others have said - they know their lane and stick to it - sports apparel. Nike doesn't try to take over all your interactions, doesn't try to own your life and doesn't grow beyond its domain.

Shit, even within its own domain, it's failed with some projects long-term (Nike Golf clubs come to mind). They stay relevant by signing young upcoming athletes, some of whom go on to become known worldwide in sports that are popular worldwide like Soccer, Basketball, and Tennis.

Nike does not have a platform, and in a roundabout way also benefits from their competition doing well (the more people that are active, the larger the potential customer base is). FB/Meta does not have that luxury - to them, if you're not on their platform, you're useless. Nike does not have that problem.

Nike wants to own the experience when you're doing something athletic or casually physical (walking around). There's a limit to that as even pro athletes aren't physically active all the time. Since so much of our lives have a technology component to it, Meta wants to own that whole ecosystem , which is much more ambitious than anything Nike ever tried or will try.

Re:Mass Layoffs and Absentee Bosses Create a Morale Crisis a... by PeterisP on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:12PM (#35544177)
One aspect is that brands like can "rotate" their product and sell new stuff to a new generation, but social tech is stuck because (if it's good) it keeps the existing users, which inherently makes it uncool for new users.

The social tech that your parents use can't be cool, by definition, no matter how good it is, the fact that your parents (and grandparents!) generation is already there is a big drawback to coolness. But social tech companies are reluctant (for obvious practical reasons) to periodically create new generations of social networks to capture a new generation of users by intentionally providing them "not your parents' social network".