Trans people often don't even receive hormones until they're 16, I don't know how this idea that they're receiving surgery on a whim makes any sense to anyone.

The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery.

I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.

> The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery.

Ah, "it is said".

> I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.

Maybe drop the unfounded accusations when you're the one attacking someone for a claim they've not made.

Most people who believe they are trans actually grow out of it. Puberty blockers (and also testosterone) have severe side effects (or main effects). Therefore more harm is done by overprescribing them.

There is not even scientific evidence yet that trans people actually exist (as in somebody born in the wrong body somehow).

"Ah it is said" - yeah in the same way that "it is said" that withholding puberty blockers causes harm and whatever else you claim.

That’s literally satanic by the way. Not just in an abstract overcoming-the-image-of-god kind of way. No, explicitly theory and praxis. As is the (ritual) abuse of children (and a number of other deliberately disturbing acts). But thank Pale Blue Dot, in a post-Epstein world we don’t have to worry about such things anymore!

Citation needed. They're _designed_ to permanently turn people into bad simulacra of the other sex?

> That’s literally satanic by the way.

What? Even if that were true, who cares? Your particular religious beliefs are irrelevant.

Imagine thinking you can mess with processes as complicated as human development without permanent negative consequences. Stop parroting the propaganda which we are all perfectly familiar with and educate yourself. There is already plenty of testimony by “detrans” boys and girls who deeply regret what’s been done to them by people around them, activists, and industry.

You're at least the second person to say "do your research" rather than offer up some evidence. In my experience, that's the mark of a conspiracy theorist.

But I could easily be wrong. Have you got any papers on puberty blockers that support your position?

> Yeah, it’s shockingly immoral to not give children drugs that have existed for something like 0.01% of human existence.

Appeal to nature fallacy?

Last year, at 25, she suffered a seizure that resulted in a cracked vertebra.

“It was the most intense pain I felt in my entire life,” Ward said.

Then came another diagnosis: osteoporosis.

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Appeal to nature fallacy?

Back when we had shared classical and religious education people would be familiar with the ancient notions of hybris, pride, and playing God. Today, here, that’s like talking to fish about water. Not that the fish don’t get thrown out of the water, happens all the time, but memories are so awfully short and the incentives to look away and forget are so strong.

You're at least the second person to say "do your research" rather than offer up some evidence.

Educate yourself is a standard phrase of the woke you should be familiar with but I guess we’re just going to pretend 2020 didn’t happen.

In my experience, that's the mark of a conspiracy theorist.

They cleaned up the Epstein operation in broad daylight and people still say stuff like this. In my experience, that's the mark of a mark.

What is the argument here? Drugs haven't existed for long, so it's okay to prevent people from using them? I'm sure we can all agree it would be shockingly immoral to steal cancer drugs from a patient, even if it is natural development.

It is exactly because some regret more invasive changes that puberty blockers are essential when medically indicated to allow decisions to be deferred until patients are more mature. The only one wanting "adult perverts on the internet" to decide medic issues for these kids are those arguing to deny patients medically indicated treatment.

In 2006, some researchers in the Netherlands tested an experimental treatment that would stop the development of sexed characteristics at puberty. A single study of 55 of these patients is the entire basis for the practice of what has come to be known as “gender affirming care.”

more invasive changes

The puberty blockers and hormones are a funnel not an alternative, but you know that already.

Medically indicated

Funny, because historically the big theme of “conversions” was convincing your doctor that you need them, and shopping doctors if they did not cooperate. And these days, it’s all about affirmation, treatment is typically begun almost immediately, few questions asked, backtracking discouraged. But that, too, you know already.

These are the perverts, the organized crime family you’re doing propaganda for. Hope it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire...

Here’s a celebrated trailblazer of all this. Satanist, ritual child abuser too. Pervert doesn’t even begin to describe it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-Orridge

At 20, Ward says she felt like her health was failing. She had muscle weakness so severe that she could barely lift her arms to wash her hair. Debilitating pain coursed through her body. Doctors puzzled over her blood disorder. She’s been hospitalized after feeling suicidal and depressed. Etc.

This stuff is as “safe” as abortion is “rare”.

Your comment also says a lot about you.

I don't feel ashamed for worrying about the unwarranted mutilation of children.

What is your excuse?

You have to turn your back on the trans children who grew into adults and pretend they don't exist to spin this lie where transition is a verb you apply to other people rather than a choice that someone makes for themselves.

Your claim that it all only happens because of these kids agencies is unsubstantiated.

How do you explain the doubling of numbers of kids who say they are trans?

And you claim nobody ever regrets transitioning, which is a lie.

Moral of the story is, people aren't lying just because you refuse to read the words written literally on the screen.

Not going to walk back that accusation that I'm a liar, now you know that you were talking about something else?