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Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by rainworld on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:47AM (#35537172)
Red herring. Hormone blockers are not “safe”, and their effects are drastic and largely not reversible. Which is why activists and industry push them so hard: lifelong customers.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by flir on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:30AM (#35537499)
Are you not seeing a discussion about surgery here?
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by rainworld on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:09AM (#35537785)
I’m seeing several people getting hung up on the distinction between pills and surgery, which, again, is a red herring. These things are all designed to permanently turn people (in particular young people, children) into bad simulacra of the other sex.

That’s literally satanic by the way. Not just in an abstract overcoming-the-image-of-god kind of way. No, explicitly theory and praxis. As is the (ritual) abuse of children (and a number of other deliberately disturbing acts). But thank Pale Blue Dot, in a post-Epstein world we don’t have to worry about such things anymore!

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by wowyallsuck on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:25AM (#35539258)
Jesus who let the conspiracy kooks in.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by baseballdork on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:36AM (#35539423)
> These things are all designed to permanently turn people (in particular young people, children) into bad simulacra of the other sex.

Citation needed. They're _designed_ to permanently turn people into bad simulacra of the other sex?

> That’s literally satanic by the way.

What? Even if that were true, who cares? Your particular religious beliefs are irrelevant.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by vidarh on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:06AM (#35537762)
Almost no word in this is true. Blockers are "reversible": You stop taking them. Their primary effect is a delay of puberty during use, nothing more drastic. "Activists" push them because the negative mental health effects of forcing trans children to go through puberty before they have a chance to decide as adults whether or not to fully transition are severe and debilitating, and it's shockingly immoral to try to actively deny people access to them.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by rainworld on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:28AM (#35537950)
Yeah, it’s shockingly immoral to not give children drugs that have existed for something like 0.01% of human existence. It’s shockingly immoral to not mess with their natural development because some adult perverts on the internet have told them they need that to be whole or else it’s genocide.

Imagine thinking you can mess with processes as complicated as human development without permanent negative consequences. Stop parroting the propaganda which we are all perfectly familiar with and educate yourself. There is already plenty of testimony by “detrans” boys and girls who deeply regret what’s been done to them by people around them, activists, and industry.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by flir on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:23AM (#35538510)
> Stop parroting the propaganda which we are all perfectly familiar with and educate yourself

You're at least the second person to say "do your research" rather than offer up some evidence. In my experience, that's the mark of a conspiracy theorist.

But I could easily be wrong. Have you got any papers on puberty blockers that support your position?

> Yeah, it’s shockingly immoral to not give children drugs that have existed for something like 0.01% of human existence.

Appeal to nature fallacy?

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by rainworld on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:09AM (#35539054)
https://kffhealthnews.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-...

Last year, at 25, she suffered a seizure that resulted in a cracked vertebra.

“It was the most intense pain I felt in my entire life,” Ward said.

Then came another diagnosis: osteoporosis.

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Appeal to nature fallacy?

Back when we had shared classical and religious education people would be familiar with the ancient notions of hybris, pride, and playing God. Today, here, that’s like talking to fish about water. Not that the fish don’t get thrown out of the water, happens all the time, but memories are so awfully short and the incentives to look away and forget are so strong.

You're at least the second person to say "do your research" rather than offer up some evidence.

Educate yourself is a standard phrase of the woke you should be familiar with but I guess we’re just going to pretend 2020 didn’t happen.

In my experience, that's the mark of a conspiracy theorist.

They cleaned up the Epstein operation in broad daylight and people still say stuff like this. In my experience, that's the mark of a mark.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by Timon3 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:24AM (#35538516)
> Yeah, it’s shockingly immoral to not give children drugs that have existed for something like 0.01% of human existence.

What is the argument here? Drugs haven't existed for long, so it's okay to prevent people from using them? I'm sure we can all agree it would be shockingly immoral to steal cancer drugs from a patient, even if it is natural development.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by klyrs on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:10AM (#35541077)
This jumped out at me too. Yes, it would be shockingly immoral to stop giving children antibiotics. Which I mention because penicillin was developed at around the same time as synthetic estrogen and testosterone. And penicillin could kill me due to an anaphylactic allergy, and it's largely considered safe by medical standards.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by vidarh on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:48AM (#35539594)
Yes, it's shockingly immoral when the evidence of harm of letting trans kids go through puberty is as significant as it is.

It is exactly because some regret more invasive changes that puberty blockers are essential when medically indicated to allow decisions to be deferred until patients are more mature. The only one wanting "adult perverts on the internet" to decide medic issues for these kids are those arguing to deny patients medically indicated treatment.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by rainworld on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:28AM (#35540284)
https://wesleyyang.substack.com/p/ftm-and-back-again

In 2006, some researchers in the Netherlands tested an experimental treatment that would stop the development of sexed characteristics at puberty. A single study of 55 of these patients is the entire basis for the practice of what has come to be known as “gender affirming care.”

more invasive changes

The puberty blockers and hormones are a funnel not an alternative, but you know that already.

Medically indicated

Funny, because historically the big theme of “conversions” was convincing your doctor that you need them, and shopping doctors if they did not cooperate. And these days, it’s all about affirmation, treatment is typically begun almost immediately, few questions asked, backtracking discouraged. But that, too, you know already.

These are the perverts, the organized crime family you’re doing propaganda for. Hope it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire...

Here’s a celebrated trailblazer of all this. Satanist, ritual child abuser too. Pervert doesn’t even begin to describe it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-Orridge

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by klyrs on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:32AM (#35538620)
Hormone blockers are frequently prescribed to children to prevent precocious puberty. This practice is extremely well supported by research and considered safe and reversible through decades of observation. But unlike transgender patients, hormone blockers are given to children with symptoms of precocious puberty without the child's informed consent. Where's the outrage?
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by rainworld on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:51AM (#35538825)
https://kffhealthnews.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-...

At 20, Ward says she felt like her health was failing. She had muscle weakness so severe that she could barely lift her arms to wash her hair. Debilitating pain coursed through her body. Doctors puzzled over her blood disorder. She’s been hospitalized after feeling suicidal and depressed. Etc.

This stuff is as “safe” as abortion is “rare”.