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Re:Whole Foods closes San Francisco flagship after one year,... by kelp on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:09PM (#35532276)
The Bob Lee thing was incredibly unfortunate (I used to work with Bob) but violent crime is actually fairly low in SF compared to similar sized cities in the US.

However property crime is now low. And downtown, TL, SOMA etc are full of tents and open air drug use.

Shoplifting has been bad in SF since I first moved there in 2009 from Seattle. I was surprised to see Walgreens had nearly everything locked up, and you had to get staff to unlock it to buy just about anything.

But it feels like it's gotten worse. And while I believe the violent crime statistics are likely correct. I suspect property crime goes hugely underreported because people don't think it's worth reporting to a police department that won't do anything.

SF police are severely under-staffed, down about 500 officers since their peak several years ago.

The previous DA wasn't prosecuting a lot of these kinds of crimes. The police might have been on a quiet strike, not really doing their jobs because of understaffing and defund the police politics. This last point is mostly speculation and anecdote. But lots of stories of the police seeing a robbery go down, doing nothing.

And then the rampant poverty you see all over downtown has just gotten worse.

Re:Whole Foods closes San Francisco flagship after one year,... by vxNsr on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:13PM (#35532325)
If I were a cop I wouldn’t expend any effort to chase down a criminal if I know the DA is gonna shirk their responsibility. What’s the point? Law enforcement doesn’t work if the law isn’t enforced.

Same way I’m not gonna do any extra work in the office if I know my manager doesn’t care.

Re:Whole Foods closes San Francisco flagship after one year,... by renewiltord on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:18PM (#35532396)
What getting the new DA has shown is that if many people are cops, they won't expend any effort to chase down a criminal whether or not the DA is going to shirk their responsibility.

Every quarter since we recalled the old DA we've had higher homicides than the year preceding (the old DA had no increase over the one before).

Re:Whole Foods closes San Francisco flagship after one year,... by vxNsr on Friday April 14, 2023 @05:24PM (#35574964)
What’s the prosecution rate per arrest? If it’s still miserably low compared to previous years or other jurisdictions with effective DAs then the problem is still the DA
Re:Whole Foods closes San Francisco flagship after one year,... by ActorNightly on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:47PM (#35532721)
Property crime should be considered violent crime. Nothing in this world is free, someone had to spend hours of their life to be able to buy said property, and taking that is essentially stealing those hours of their life away.
Re:Whole Foods closes San Francisco flagship after one year,... by geebee on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:27PM (#35547915)
One difference is how brazen it is. I grew up in SF, and was here for the big bad 70s and early 80s. Violent crime was worse then, but disorder feels worse to me now. Of course, it's hard to remember across five decades, and I'm remembering one thing as a kid and another as a middle aged adult.

One thing, though - nobody in the 1970s was welcome to walk into a grocery store with a garbage bag, sweep things off the shelves into the bag, and just walk out. Watching that feels very unsettling.

Also, I recently walked from the golden gate theater to the civic center bart station, and I am not exaggerating, I mean it when I say that it is worse than the dystopian vision of post-apocalyptic boston in "last of us". The amount of menace, disorder, drug use, drug dealing, theft, tent cities, edgy, tweaking people, comatose and dying people, swollen and infected toes and limbs... it is truly a hellscape.

Now, there are few problems so bad that they are immune to hyperbole, and because SF's progressive failure can be good fodder for conservatives, there is incentive to exaggerate. I still have good days here, and there are still parts of SF that are much less affected (though almost nowhere you don't see some jolting sign of the disorder). But it isn't just the 'loin and soma, this disorder has turned many formerly lovely parts of San Francisco into horrible places. And while you may compare violent crime rates and homeless rates to other cities, it does matter where in a city it occurs.

For example, imagine if the Luxembourg gardens in Paris became overrun the way the civic center has? That the fountain outside the old senate building became an open air drug scene tent city, where now and then someone is stabbed to death. Yeah, you could compare this to a violent city with more homeless living under a freeway overpass, but I'm willing to say it represents a deeper, more alarming loss. I say this with full acknowledgment of the humanitarian disaster both scenarios represent.

This, to me, is why people are so shocked by San Francisco. We've allowed our civic center and market street, areas that were once the center of government, business, and cultural life for a huge area of the western united states, to become a kind of hellscape. I wouldn't put it on the level of the luxomberg gardens, but you can see the artifacts of a prouder city.