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Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by wokwokwok on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:51AM (#35525125)
It’s astonishing to me that people seem to believe the llama models are “just as good” as the large models these companies are building, and most people are only using the 7B model, because that’s all their hardware can support.

…I mean, “not-bad-at-all” depends on your context. For doing mean real work (ie. not porn or spam) these tiny models suck.

Yup, even the refined ones with the “good training data”. They’re toys. Llama is a toy. The 7B model, specifically.

…and even if it weren’t, these companies can just take any open source model and host it on their APIs. You’ll notice that isn’t happening. That’s because most of the open models are orders of magnitude less useful than the closed source ones.

So, what do want, as an investor?

To be part of some gimp-like open source AI? Or spend millions and bet you can sell it B2B for crazy license fees?

…because, I’m telling you right now; these open source models, do not cut it for B2B use cases, even if you ignore the license issues.

Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by visarga on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:24AM (#35525599)
You know what I believe is also a toy model? chatGPT Turbo, you can tell by the speed of generation. And it works quite well, so small size is not an impediment. I expect there will be an open model on the level of chatGPT by the end of the year because suddenly there are lots of interested parties and investors.

Eventually there will be a good enough model for most personal uses, our personal AI OS. When that happens there is a big chance advertising is going to be in a rough spot - personal agents can filter out anything from ads to spam and malware. Google better find another revenue source soon.

But OpenAI and other high-end LLM providers have a problem - the better these open source models become, the more market they cut underneath them. Everything open source models can do becomes "free". The best example is Dall-E vs Stable Diffusion. By the next year they will only be able to sell GPT4 and 5. AI will become a commodity soon, OpenAI won't be able to gate-keep for too long. Prices will hit rock bottom.

Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by pyth0 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:52AM (#35526008)
> I expect there will be an open model on the level of chatGPT by the end of the year because suddenly there are lots of interested parties and investors.

I really don't think you understand just how absurdly high the cost is to train models of this size (which we still don't know for sure anyways). I struggle to see what entity could afford to do this and release it as no cost. That doesn't even touch on the fact that even with unlimited money, OpenAI is still quite far ahead.

Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by visarga on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @01:44PM (#35528515)
Still cheaper than a plane, a ship or a power plant, and there are thousands of those.
Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by cshimmin on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @11:59PM (#35534837)
And how many are given away for free?
Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by ukuina on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:50PM (#35534449)
I think you're conflating speed of inference/generation with optimization. gpt-3.5-turbo does not fit on a single GPU unlike the "toy" models.
Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by seydor on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:07AM (#35525366)
gpt4xalpaca is 13B
Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by wokwokwok on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:29AM (#35541412)
7? 13? Who cares? It’s an order of magnitude smaller than the GPT models. It’s a toy.
Re:Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI by carefulobserver on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:38PM (#35561731)
I think that Alpaca 30 billion is pretty competitive with ChatGPT except on coding tasks. What benchmarks are you using to make your determination about suitability for B2B?