The real problem with 4 is that OpenAI are having trouble keeping up with the demand.

So it might not be an option until 4 turbo comes out in 37 hours or whatever their development cycle is these days.

Yea, I find it a fair bit annoying that I pay $20 and have a 25 message cap every 3 hours.

I use TypingMind.com and the GPT4 API. Seems an overall better experience.

GPT-4 API still not open. I should really try Evals to get early access, been dying to give it a spin (outside of ChatGPT)

It works for me.

Because you were one of the blessed lucky ones to get access to GPT-4 API? I'm still on the waitlist :(.

I pay for it and do not have access to the GPT4 API

I'm just excited to have access at all.

I don't necessarily mind the cap, but I am a little annoyed that it was 50 messages every 4 hours when I first began my subscription and they lowered it without so much as an email telling me.

I guess you have experienced something different, as I got an email saying this:

> GPT4 will have a dynamically adjusted usage cap. We expect to be severely capacity constrained, so the usage cap will depend on demand and system performance. API access will still be through the waitlist.

And then the actual 'sign-up' or marketing page before subscription didn't even say anything about getting GPT-4 (just about getting priority access to the standard chatgpt product).

Then at the bottom of each page above the box when you open GPT-4 as long as I remember it has always said something like "Current limit is this, capacity limits for GPT4 will be changed as we adjust for demand."

well it was something like 100 before that even.

Seriously their release cycle has been so rapid that I am building stuff with the idea that AI will be better and cheaper by the time I am ready to release it.

Right now it is a bit of a blocker because you can easily get a single prompt to cost you .005c - .01c, which would crush you if you ever had any kind of scale.

The one exception is probably speed. GPT-4 is noticeably slower than GPT-3.5.

https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1639029709395886080?s...

This by defsult is using the zero shot agent attached to Google, it is burning trough tokens.

Maybe it is just my niche use cases but after spending a good few hours with both, 3.5 for me has actually produced more coherent outputs for me which is a little confusing to me. Maybe I need to rethink my prompting or something.

GPT4 is definitively the future, but GPT3.5 is the present :-).

In addition to being more expensive, GPT4 is a lot slower. For most casual things I use gpt3 and upgrade to GPT4 as needed. I've actually had a couple of days where I spent > $1 on GPT4. It's hard to do with every day chat, but easy to do when you get it to look/improve large amounts of code.

This is all from the API/CLI not the web interface.