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Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by arcticbull on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:07PM (#35508459)
And yet, that's the approach that has completely failed. I suggest you allow data to drive the discussion instead of silly failed moralizations. As a peer comment pointed out, Japan's drug policy is the most strict in the developed world - and it has a massive under-reported meth problem. I suspect the Emirates is similar and lower headline numbers come from lack of reporting - not lack of issues. Do you have some evidence to suggest your approach works? To my knowledge there really isn't any.

Maybe it's time to start sympathizing with the drug users if you want to get rid of shady dealers and narcos. We've tried it your way. It sucks.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by jacooper on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:33PM (#35508597)
And to be clear I don't have a problem with helping drug addicts leave drugs, the difference is they should never be allowed to be left using them without any intervention.

So the police gets them, and gets the dealer then they either get treated or prisoned depending if its their first time or they are actually addicted.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by arcticbull on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:09PM (#35508809)
Addiction is a mental and physical health issue. Why on earth are the police involved in the first place? That's not what they're for.

But a lot of what you're describing is literally the Portuguese model, which you can find out if you read the article. They can require you go to rehab depending on if it's your first time or if you're addicted. It's just not a criminal matter, it's a public health matter. Which means you have less stigma, you avoid prison, a record - and you are more likely to ask for help.

We know for a fact prison is a place you can get drugs, and going there leaves you more likely to be addicted, not less, because you look to those same drugs as an escape from your prison situation.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by jacooper on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:26PM (#35508878)
> Addiction is a mental and physical health issue. Why on earth are the police involved in the first place? That's not what they're for.

5he police is going to be the first one to interact with addicts because they should be working on dismantling the entire drug network and working on catching dealers.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by arcticbull on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:36PM (#35508933)
> 5he police is going to be the first one to interact with addicts because they should be working on dismantling the entire drug network and working on catching dealers.

Dealers aren't users or addicts. Different people. The police would not be the first to respond to them in 99% of cases.

And you can dismantle the network by making it uncompetitive. Let the state sell drugs, who cares? Then the narcos die off and the network dismantles itself.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by jacooper on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:58PM (#35509050)
The state selling drugs means actively endorsing them.
Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by arcticbull on Monday April 10, 2023 @01:34AM (#35509473)
Nah, the state already taxes drugs. Same thing. It also sells alcohol while taxing the ever loving crap out of it. Nobody's going to say the state is endorsing cigarettes, alcohol and gambling. They're minimizing harm through controlled, regulated and taxed distribution.

The thing is we've provided all sorts of ways for you to achieve your goal of not seeing zombies on the street without the cruelty. And yet you continue to try and find ways to invent problems. It seems like the cruelty of your suggestion may be the point?

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by jacooper on Monday April 10, 2023 @05:40PM (#35517725)
You said it your self "without cruelty" That's the entire problem, that's why most police forces can't enforce shit against drug dealers and addicts.
Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by amanaplanacanal on Monday April 10, 2023 @01:17AM (#35509407)
> The police is going to be the first one to interact with addicts because they should be working on dismantling the entire drug network and working on catching dealers, through catching addicts/buyers.

Isn’t that what we’ve been doing for the last 50 years? How did that work out?

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by jacooper on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:09PM (#35508466)
Not seeing addicts and semi-zombies on the streets is enough.
Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by arcticbull on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:10PM (#35508470)
Ah pretending. Got it. It does tend to be easier to live in a world of one's own imagination than to solve the real, hard problems we face.

You know where else doesn't have those things? Portugal.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by jacooper on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:22PM (#35508534)
Hmmm, and is it a normal part of an average person life to ever have taken drugs or got addicted?

If so that still counts as a failure, nobody should be allowed to ever take these drugs in their lifetime.

Re:What is xylazine, the dangerous new drug fuelling Canada’... by arcticbull on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:04PM (#35508778)
But your proposal doesn't stop that. It criminalizes them telling anyone and sweeps it under the rug like you cleaning your room at 11 years old.