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Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by seydor on Sunday April 09, 2023 @05:37PM (#35506718)
> (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu)

Llamas are creating the linux of AI and the ecosystem around it. Even though openAI has a head start, this whole thing is just starting. Llammas are showing the world that it doesn't take monopoly-level hardware to run those things. And because it's fun, like, video-game-fun there is going to be a lot of attention on them. Running a fully-owned, uncensored chat is the kind of thing that gets people creative

Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by danShumway on Sunday April 09, 2023 @05:51PM (#35506814)
This is my hope as well. It would be disastrous if the future of AI is one where only megacorps can run it and where they control all access to it. In that sense, LLaMA is really encouraging and I'm seriously rooting for it to improve.

It's just not there yet. I tend to be kind of bearish on LLMs in general, I think there's a lot more hype than is warranted, and people are overlooking some pretty significant downsides like prompt-injection that are going to end up making them a lot harder to use in ubiquitous contexts in practice, but... I mean, the big LLMs (even GPT-3.5) are definitely still in a class above LLaMA. I understand why they're hyped.

I look at GPT and think, "I'm not sure this is worth the trouble of using." But I look at LLaMA and I'm not sure how/where to use it at all. It's a whole different level of output.

But that doesn't mean I'm not rooting for the "hobbyists" to succeed. And it doesn't mean LLaMA can't succeed, it doesn't necessarily need to be better than GPT-4, it just needs to be good enough at a lot of the stuff GPT-4 does to be usable, and to have the accessibility and access outweigh everything else. It's just not there yet.

Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by syntheweave on Sunday April 09, 2023 @06:05PM (#35506910)
I think there's a case to be made for the bottom of the market being the important part.

The aspects of LLMs that resemble AGI are pretty exciting, but there's a huge playspace for using the model just as an interface, a slightly smarter one that will understand the specific computing tasks you're looking for and connect them up with the appropriate syntax without requiring direct encoding.

A lot of what software projects come down to is in the syntax, and a conversational interface that can go a little bit beyond imperative command and a basic search box creates possibilities for new types of development environments.

Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by amrb on Sunday April 09, 2023 @06:04PM (#35506901)
LoRa has been pretty popular and untill the llama leak was not aware of it, maybe will see something cool out of the open assistant project, we have a lot of English and Spanish prompts and was crazy to see people doing an massive open source project for ML.
Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by inciampati on Sunday April 09, 2023 @06:04PM (#35506902)
They can be modified to produce qualities of output that are unique. This puts them back in the realm of individual control. I will put the human in the artificial in a way that is not true with the industrial models.
Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by avereveard on Sunday April 09, 2023 @07:09PM (#35507368)
Llamas are a licensing ticking bomb, but they showed that reasonably sized models can get things done, and there are clean architecture being trained right now that will unlock the field shortly, likely within the year.
Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by smoldesu on Monday April 10, 2023 @02:21AM (#35509680)
> Llammas are showing the world that it doesn't take monopoly-level hardware to run those things.

LLaMA was not necessarily the model that did that. A fairer attribution might be BERT or GPT-Neo.

Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by seydor on Monday April 10, 2023 @07:22AM (#35511107)
it was difficult to run all those models. now gamers follow youtube tutorials
Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by smoldesu on Monday April 10, 2023 @09:49AM (#35512252)
Name 1 way GPT-Neo was harder to run than LLaMA.
Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by netruk44 on Monday April 10, 2023 @09:54AM (#35512313)
Edit: Never mind, I deleted my posts. I keep forgetting that posting to HN is an exhausting mistake that I don't have the energy to deal with. One day I might learn better.

Pretend I deleted this post, too. I can't do it because there's a reply now.

Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by smoldesu on Monday April 10, 2023 @09:55AM (#35512333)
GPT-Neo did run on Macbooks, though. Here's some random guy off YouTube doing it right now: https://youtu.be/sjLDuQrCCro

All of this (and more) was possible before LLaMA hit the scene. Not one feature about LLaMA is novel, which is why we were able to build wrappers like llama.cpp so quickly.

Edit: The only optimization that BERT/GPT-Neo needed was Apple to enable Pytorch acceleration. LLaMA is exclusively an inferencing tool that runs on the CPU, it's "optimization" on both Apple Silicon and x86 are hacked wrappers around SIMD instructions.

I'm only pushing back here because I was running GPT-Neo for a Discord bot on cheap-as-dirt ARM hardware a year ago. It's been possible long before LLaMA brought it to the attention of bored entrepreneurs.

> And that, in turn, makes it harder for anybody to use it.

Only one of these models can be downloaded legally. Between the DMCA takedowns and broken IPFS gateways LLaMA faced, I can confidently say BERT, T5 and GPT-Neo Just Work faster and easier than LLaMA.

Seriously, actually go deploy one of these models instead of messing around with it locally. You may realize that there is more infrastructure and options for this technology than you assume.

Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by chpatrick on Monday April 10, 2023 @09:34PM (#35519625)
In my experience GPT-Neo never produced any useful output.
Re:The LLama Effect: Leak Sparked a Series of Open Source Al... by FooBarWidget on Monday April 10, 2023 @02:48AM (#35509786)
But what about the training data? You can't rely on weights keep being leaked (assuming that that even raises no legal issues) in order for open source AI to advance.