Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by kaba0 on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:40AM
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If you write to cache, then depending on architecture that change has to be made visible to every other thread as well. Reading is not subject to such a constraint.
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Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by NobleExpress on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:28AM
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MESI cache coherency (and its derivatives) [1] means that you can have exclusive writes to cache if and only if no other core tries to access that data. I would think most if not all microarchitectures have moved to MESI (or equivalent) cache coherency protocols as they avoid unnecessary writes to memory.
Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by kaba0 on Sunday April 09, 2023 @01:38PM
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Sure, but for shared objects you can’t allow data races.
Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by vlovich123 on Sunday April 09, 2023 @03:50PM
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Objects shared across threads. Most don’t need to be.
Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by _a_a_a_ on Monday April 10, 2023 @05:31AM
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I don't understand the relevance of this.
Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by vlovich123 on Sunday April 09, 2023 @01:26PM
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Only for atomics. Single-threaded RC counts are fine and WebKit uses hybrid RC where you use an atomic shared ptr to share across threads and then you downgrade it to a non atomic version in-thread (and can hand out another atomic copy at any time).
Atomics are rarely needed as you should really try to avoid sharing ownership across threads and instead change your design to avoid that if you can.
Re:The Garbage Collection Handbook, 2nd Edition
by _a_a_a_ on Monday April 10, 2023 @05:36AM
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>> If you write to cache, then depending on architecture that change has to be made visible to every other thread as well
> Only for atomics
I don't think cache coherency is aware of threads; they live at a level above it (IANAExpert though)
> where you use an atomic shared ptr to share across threads and then you downgrade it to a non atomic version in-thread (and can hand out another atomic copy at any time).
your idea of GC is very different from others', you are happy to do a ton of manual stuff. GC is generally about not doing a ton of manual stuff.