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Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by jschveibinz on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:53PM (#35496958)
You know, this is the first comment I’ve ever read on government participation in the economy (socialism, if you will) that seems to make great sense to me. I would happily pay into a tax fund that was locked to educating or re-educating participants in the workforce. I like this way better than plain UBI because of the potential for increased dignity, pride and self-esteem.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by __pache__ on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:11PM (#35497117)
Why is govt needed to do this?

This is like trying to get govt to invent flight, when instead you just give markets as much power as reasonably possible. Cheap goods and services lead to innovation way better than govt capturing and "redirecting money to their brother's school."

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by antifa on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:07PM (#35498131)
> This is like trying to get govt to invent flight

The Soviet Union invented space flight.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by __pache__ on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:30PM (#35498280)
They invented rocket propulsion...?

If you can stomach it: https://youtu.be/0Xg4Uq1W4L8

Please don't ignore the thousands and thousands of examples of govt being terrible at this, for the handful of somewhat useful examples of shit sticking to the wall. It's still flinging shit

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by antifa on Sunday April 09, 2023 @04:19PM (#35506091)
> government bad

That's mostly just you grandstanding your ideology and not really contributing to a rational discussion.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by __pache__ on Sunday April 09, 2023 @09:22PM (#35508199)
Yes government bad.

Did Russia invent rocket propulsion?

How many dozens of millions died because of insane huge govt policies, like redistributing from the successful to the unsuccessful ...

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by than3 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:11PM (#35497125)
You know, there's some significant issues that aren't touched on. Any statement that's all upsides no downsides poorly reflects reality over time. Or, in other words, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

The main one being how would you pay for it?

Basic accounting says the moment population growth stalls you have more outflows than inflows. You can't print money without consequence, and there are other factors that confound these issues further.

Its the ideal of socialism, but the reality is you run into the economic calculation problem. Shortages happen because we live in a world of scarcity, and when they do the system collapses usually causing death (historically).

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by vages on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:30PM (#35497304)
The Norwegian tax system is not socialist as much as it is _georgist_: Norway taxes natural resource use (mainly extracting oil from oil fields and using waterfalls for power generation) _hard_. This tax policy makes the "more outflows than inflows" calculation a bit more complex than in most countries. The country is not immune to the effects of population decrease, but less so than others.

The main threat to the Norwegian tax system today (in my opinion) is that new industries (fish farming, wind farming) are actively lobbying against georgist tax policies directed at their industries: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2022/05/17/norway-the-once-and...

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by satvikpendem on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:17PM (#35498934)
Georgism is pretty great, consistently incentivizing people to utilize their land. However, I wonder how much it would change with non-land-based productivity, ie people or AI making money through the internet.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by vages on Sunday April 09, 2023 @05:02AM (#35501012)
Strict georgism emphasizes taxing limited resources, i.e. resources that can be hogged, preventing others from innovating. If what you're using can be made more plentiful, it's not worth taxing.

For example, taxing your use of transmission capacity would go against georgism: It's possible to make better equipment that transfers bits faster. There are, however, resources that can be hogged on the Internet. For example, domain names: Short (non-trademarked) domain names, e.g. flowers.com, are more valuable than a random string of characters from a lesser known top-level domain, e.g. lrchcu.hat. As there is a limited number of single-word domain names, the owner of the former domain should pay a higher fee or tax for their domain than the owner of the latter.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by imtringued on Monday April 10, 2023 @03:43AM (#35510041)
Silvio Gesell applies the land value tax on money. This results in a so called demurrage currency.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by imtringued on Monday April 10, 2023 @03:40AM (#35510031)
The economic calculation problem exists form any type of economy regardless of whether it is dezentralized or centralised.

The difference is that a central miscalculation impacts the entire economy while a decentral miscalculation usually only impacts a small area surrounding that person.

If a group of independent people makes a miscalculation like during the global financial crisis then you end up with the same problem it is just less frequent.