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Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by IIAOPSW on Saturday April 08, 2023 @10:55AM (#35493775)
The big issue is the transition. What happens when we still need around 30% employment to keep things going. Neither enough automation for everyone to take permanent holiday nor enough labour to go around for everyone to make the current way sustainable. I have no good answer for how to address this middle point.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by carapace on Saturday April 08, 2023 @01:00PM (#35495255)
I think you start with a kind of non-profit member-owned "general automation corp." that supplies a level of basic QoL: clean water, food, shelter, clothing, energy, internet, medical, etc. per-member, at a set rate, say US$300 per month. That is, you pay in $300/mo. and that covers your rent, food, utilities, health insurance, etc. Over time the rate you pay falls to zero and remains there for the rest of your life.

The task of the corporation is to supply the above goods and services efficiently, in environmentally regenerative ways, while meeting or exceeding minimum quality standards.

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It's kind of like a new economic regime developing within the old one, the way a crystal precipitates out of a saturated solution, eh? A sort of phase change?

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by namarie on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:04PM (#35495958)
Why do it through a corporation rather than through government?
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by carapace on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:57PM (#35497559)
You don't have to convince people to vote for it, you can just get started right away with who ever is interested.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by tekknik on Sunday April 09, 2023 @02:46AM (#35500541)
So forced adoption? If they wanted it they would vote for it. You don’t see a problem with forcing people to do something they don’t want?

This is scary, some people seem to be so gleeful at the idea of AI taking over everything they’re willing to resort to force to make it happen.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by carapace on Sunday April 09, 2023 @01:39PM (#35504807)
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Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by tekknik on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @11:12PM (#35534582)
Bring this back to the real world then, how can this happen? If it's possible then someone who doesn't care about profit would create this already. Therefore not possible without forced adoption.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by carapace on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:57AM (#35539747)
I'm still not getting what you're saying. What's "this" in your sentences?
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by tekknik on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:20AM (#35565470)
I mean I can play stupid too. This = your statement.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by carapace on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:52AM (#35570925)
No need to play stupid.

> Bring this back to the real world then, how can this happen? If it's possible then someone who doesn't care about profit would create this already.

I'm doing it. I'm that "someone who doesn't care about profit". I literally went to start a normal corporation, saw this "non-profit mutual-benefit" corporate form, and realized that it aligned better with what I wanted to build, so I incorporated as that.

The idea is to acquire some land, lay in a kind of ecologically harmonious high-tech neighborhood combined with a 3D printing shop and other facilities (electric, ISP, food forest, etc.) and rent-to-own or something to members. It's a kind of economic time travel to a Star Trek-style techno-utopia (to the extent that such a thing is even possible, given human nature, eh? But that's not my problem. I'm just trying to keep from messing up the environment and/or becoming a peasant, you know?)

Check out https://www.riverbed-ranch.com/ for something like what I'm talking about (this is not my thing, but it's got some similarities.) These folks are basically treating Utah like a fresh alien planet and building a nice modern eco-friendly town out there.