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Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by _jab on Friday April 07, 2023 @08:51PM (#35489190)
> I assumed it was scaremongering after seeing comments saying that theft was legal in SF up until the $300 point (the number might be incorrect, can't remember exactly) but then saw some articles popping up saying lots of big franchises like CVS were shutting their stores due to rampant theft. But from where I sit (in Australia) it seems so bizarre to allow theft like this I struggle to believe it is real.

You're talking about Prop 47, and the number is $950. There's some pretty widespread misconceptions about Prop 47, first of which is that theft under that amount is not "legal" - it's just a misdemeanor instead of a felony.

But I think something much more important to recognize is that this law is hardly a uniquely Californian affair. Texas, of all places, has an equivalent law, except its limit is $2500 - higher than California's: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/09/what-s-the-pun...

Also, worth mentioning that Walgreens, which was generally the franchise most known for citing SF crime while closing stores, later backpedalled those concerns: https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/01/09/walgree...

That said, SF does undeniably still have one of the highest larceny theft rates in the future, and it has plenty of work to do on that front. But you'd be right to be skeptical of anecdotal evidence that the city is outright dysfunctional. At the very least, you shouldn't believe anyone who states SF's problems are the fault of any single simple cause, whether that be Prop 47 or Chesa Boudin.

Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by cudgy on Friday April 07, 2023 @09:08PM (#35489319)
“Texas, of all places, has an equivalent law, except its limit is $2500 - higher than California's”

So what, if it is not enforced? Good luck getting away with that in Texas or almost any state or likely many other areas of California.

Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by xboxnolifes on Friday April 07, 2023 @09:39PM (#35489546)
That's the point. It's not Prop 47's fault. It's enforcement.
Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by khazhoux on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:40PM (#35489964)
A difference without a distinction
Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by josephcsible on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:31PM (#35489909)
> You're talking about Prop 47, and the number is $950. There's some pretty widespread misconceptions about Prop 47, first of which is that theft under that amount is not "legal" - it's just a misdemeanor instead of a felony.

> But I think something much more important to recognize is that this law is hardly a uniquely Californian affair. Texas, of all places, has an equivalent law, except its limit is $2500 - higher than California's: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/09/what-s-the-pun...

Unlike in Texas, misdemeanors aren't taken seriously at all in California (i.e., the charges are usually dropped), to the point that things that don't reach the bar of being a felony are de facto legal.

Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by hotpotamus on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:46PM (#35490343)
In Texas, our Attorney General is currently under indictment for felonies[0] (and has been for going on a decade; I suppose he's good at legal delays), so I don't get the impression that felonies are taken particularly seriously either.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Paxton#Legal_issues

Re:What crime stats don't reveal about crime in San Francisco by pg_1234 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @09:45AM (#35493034)
What SF retailers should do is add $1000 to all price tags (online/advertised prices can stay the same) and discount every item by an extra $1000 on checkout.

This way any theft/shoplifting that skips checkout is an automatic felony.

If the city want's to f##k you with b#llsh#t number juggling, you do the same to them.