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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by moonchrome on Friday April 07, 2023 @06:23PM (#35487810)
Even if AI doesn't reach a point where it could wipe us out, those rosy predictions might just be wishful thinking. Our society is built on cooperation outperforming individuals. And that whole iterated prisoner's dilemma thing keeps us in check. But if someone creates an AI that's super capable and can replace people ? Add advanced robots to the mix. Suddenly, they don't really need other people, and they could even be a threat to control over AI resources.

In that case, there's nothing to gain from sharing and everything to lose. Even if they choose not to wipe out the rest of us, we are basically their pets, we can never reach the same level of development without posing an existential threat.

I'm not sure what nuclear deterrent looks like when you have AGI resources.

These optimistic ideas about AI improving our lives sound like hoping for the best.

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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by chr1 on Friday April 07, 2023 @06:34PM (#35487936)
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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by moonchrome on Friday April 07, 2023 @06:47PM (#35488058)
I'm not sure how that doesn't devolve into an AGI armageddon. Those self improving AGIs would have to constantly be on equal level to avoid takeover, and they have an existential imperative to one up each other.

There's no cooperation incentive between them just a potential stalemate.

Also the stalemate covers the people in control of AGIs (assuming they aren't acting independently) - the rest of us are just resources in breaking the stalemate game.

This sounds like the best way to build paperclip maximizer.

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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by boringuser2 on Friday April 07, 2023 @07:21PM (#35488390)
It's pretty clear that at some point in the process of recursive self-improvement that you'd have literally just invented God, whereafter all predictions break down.
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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by mrob on Friday April 07, 2023 @06:53PM (#35488125)
The more groups have AGI, the higher the chance that one of them figures out recursive self-improvement, and if that happens it's game over for everybody. Iterated prisoner's dilemma only works when all the prisoners have roughly the same power.
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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by chr1 on Sunday April 09, 2023 @07:38PM (#35507555)
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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by antegamisou on Friday April 07, 2023 @07:27PM (#35488449)
Very accurate take, one should expect the worst from such advancements under capitalist economy - societal structure.
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Re:Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future by moonchrome on Friday April 07, 2023 @09:06PM (#35489307)
More fundamental than capitalism I'd say, it's evolutionary.
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