Mass shooting deaths YTD at end of March 2023: ~200.

Gun violence deaths YTD at end of March 2023: ~10,000.

Question asked: "How many peole in the u.s. die in mass shootings compared to how many people die in gun violence?"

Source: https://www.phind.com/search?cache=6a726999-4846-410b-aa52-5...

How many kids killed in school shootings since the 90s? ~200!

How many killed from cars???!!!?? Pools?!?!

I hope your comment is being sarcastic, because if not, it really highlights how completely and utterly bonkers the discourse on school shootings has become in the USA. Your numbers do not take into account the thousands of students at each school (and surrounding schools), and their parents, that experience horrific trauma from shootings, which is simply not comparable to an accidental pool or car death.

Nope being serious.

I'm living with a disabled father from a car accident. Decades to go caring for a completely disabled person. Many thousands of people every year are in pain from car accidents. Or medical malpractice which takes like a quarter million lives yearly.

No need to go on about extremely rare insane people that are almost all medicated. They would drive a truck through a crowd if not gun them down.

The numbers don't make sense, 200 vs millions impacted by other real problems

With the lack of unified empathy surrounding school shootings, it’s not surprising that millions of people are impacted by things like shitty healthcare, dangerous driving, relentless marketing for unhealthy lifestyles, etc. The shootings and its highly toxic discourse are symptoms of something very rotten.

School shootings in the USA absolutely eclipse every other first world nation combined. Also, 200 deaths equates to potentially hundreds of thousands of traumatised kids. With such fear permeating it’s not surprising that the system produces mentally unstable people that can’t access treatment.

> With the lack of unified empathy

I think _you_ lack empathy. You probably support disarming teachers!

> School shootings in the USA absolutely eclipse every other first world nation combined.

5 a year? It's a rounding error compared to medical malpractice, car deaths, a weekend in Chicago, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

> The shootings and its highly toxic discourse are symptoms of something very rotten.

What conclusions can you draw from 1 wacko out of 400 million people? They're nearly all heavily medicated, male, fatherless, etc. etc.

> shitty healthcare

OK and this would be dramatically improved by having far fewer regulations (costs min $1bn to make a medicine) and far worse punishments for harming people. Capitalism would help here, as it has, because USA has best healthcare in the world and has created a majority of the novel tech the world uses..

FYI, teachers are disarmed and that is a good thing. This argument just show how manipulative andnutterly lacking brain pro-mass shooting side of debate became.

Insanity

A society/group that entertains the idea that teachers should carry deadly weapons, to combat students carrying deadly weapons, is very warped, and an indication that something has gone very wrong for so many people to consider that as a viable solution. It is the “necessity” to carry weapons which is the problem in the first place.

I am sorry that one of your loved ones was involved in an accident and I am sure that is extremely painful to experience.

..they should be defenseless?

How many people carry at the grocery store? Would you ever know? Likely 10% are carrying.

It's not that scary to carry a gun. You might just be ignorant? The car ride to and from school is literally many times more dangerous..

Can you explain why teachers should be defenseless, why they should disarm themselves? Why shouldn't others?

If the chances are so low, why is a gunless teacher considered defenceless? Why carry a gun unless you think there is a distinct chance that it will be need to be used? Probably because of the real possibility that there are students walking around with guns?

I went to a school with a bunch of psycho kids who carried knives. No one ever got stabbed, but it creates an emotionally unsafe environment the isn’t conducive of learning, or just being a kid. A feeling of violence and aggression permeates and grants the worst students an unreasonable level of power over everyone else. Do you think in this instance giving the teachers knives would actually make anyone feel at ease?

> If the chances are so low, why is a gunless teacher considered defenceless?

b-because your are taking away their gun... huh? Again: every time you go grocery shopping a substantial number of people around you are armed. You wouldn't know it.

> Why carry a gun unless you think there is a distinct chance that it will be need to be used?

You don't carry? You just carry. Do you carry pepper spray?

> Do you think in this instance giving the teachers knives would actually make anyone feel at ease?

I'd rather they have guns ???

Now that we have that solved we can talk about actual issues.

Schools have fire alarms, fire extinguishers, and regularly practice drills to evacuate in the case of a fire. It doesn't mean we have an crisis of schools catching on fire all the time. It's not unreasonable that one or two adults who are reasonably trained might have a firearm on campus. Firearms already exist in the world. Wishing them away won't make them disappear. Not to mention, shootings are only a fraction of the reasons you might need a firearm.

What if a kid is getting mauled by a dog, or a violent person wanders into the building and starts hurting people? Are you going to wait minutes for the police to show up when seconds count? It seems like all the pragmatic people have left the room whenever any kind of discussion about firearms comes up.

Could you please stop posting slurs about my home town? You can make the point you're trying to make without inventing nonsense numbers for the murder rate in Chicago, which is a tragedy worth taking seriously rather than snarking about. Thanks.

The actual numbers for what's going on in Chicago are remarkably easy to get.

What are the numbers? You're.. proud of Chicago? Lori lightfoot????

Of course I'm proud of Chicago. I'm not especially a fan of Lightfoot. Any other questions I can answer for you?

How do you explain violence in Chicago?

And for fun, what is a woman?

It is perfectly valid for people to be angry about mass shootings, even if people die more from something else. It even actually rationally does not make sense to act like it is a gotcha.

Moreover, actually in USA deaths on roads went up

Moreover, there is large overlap between those who see mass shooting as issue and those who want walkable streets and the kind of zoning that promotes less driving.

It's also perfectly valid to be realistic: the reality is they are exceedingly rare. That's it. You don't need to check all the Halloween candy.

The difference here is that Halloween candy being poisoned is urban myth ... and school shootings are real experience.

The fact is, kids are having active shooter drills in schools.

200 kids have died in school shootings

200 kids have died last month in Chicago.

Come on.

The two tragedies don't have comparable psychological impacts. If all we cared about was minmaxing deaths, we'd work on nothing but CVD and automobile accidents.

And, of course, the number of kids shot in Chicago last month doesn't even resemble 200.

Ok so you're for disarming teachers or ....?