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Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by no_wizard on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:05PM (#35483151)
Important to remember this is often on behalf of willing member states, re: NATO, the military pacts that span through Southeast Asia (there are many).

The US official policy (and they do follow this) is that nations reserve the right to ask us to leave, too, and yet, few do.

We don't always get it right, but I don't think the Chinese are interested in global peace keeping even on the surface. Its much more "winner take all". I think that does speak to a real difference.

Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by pphysch on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:13PM (#35483278)
I don't even know to respond to the assertion that China is more irresponsibility militaristic than USA. Based on which facts?
Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by no_wizard on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:21PM (#35483398)
its not that simple either.

I readily acknowledge our misadventures. We're a complex nation, same as any other, with real costs and unfortunately many ruined lives at home and abroad.

I'm not pleading ignorance, there are aspects of "American Exceptionalism" that are problematic and indefensible. I never (as many Americans) supported invading Afghanistan or Iraq. The CIA should have never messed around in many countries, (including but not limited to Iran, Cuba and Argentina)

I also want to recognize that I can freely talk about this publicly, openly, and take to the streets with protests against such things, without fear the government will lock me up in a labor camp or "disappear" people (re: Jack Ma).

Its foolish to think that just because we've made mistakes that we don't have real advantages on the world stage that may still be far preferable to some alternatives, for starters.

Nuance is required here, no? Its important to evaluate all aspects of what you're dealing with.

Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by pphysch on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:26PM (#35483477)
> Its foolish to think that just because we've made mistakes that we don't have real advantages on the world stage that may still be fair preferable to some alternatives, for starters.

Please embellish. What does USA do that offsets its constant warmongering and economic coercion, and how can you possibly know that outside of blind faith?

Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by no_wizard on Friday April 07, 2023 @01:03PM (#35484001)
This wasn't what I said, not even in spirit, so if you have a specific redress I'm open to it, but so far you're throwing empty statements the wall
Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by JorikTheBird on Sunday April 09, 2023 @09:03AM (#35502352)
So you don't believe in Chinese economic coercion?
Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by l3mure on Friday April 07, 2023 @07:04PM (#35488245)
> I also want to recognize that I can freely talk about this publicly, openly, and take to the streets with protests against such things, without fear the government will lock me up in a labor camp or "disappear" people (re: Jack Ma).

It's because those protests are almost totally impotent and actually reinforce state power. The protests against the Iraq war were some of the largest in history and achieved precisely squat. When there is some seed of real potential, like the Floyd protests, everything you're saying doesn't happen absolutely can and does.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-footage-shows-minneapolis...

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-us...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/police-shoot...

Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by JorikTheBird on Sunday April 09, 2023 @09:03AM (#35502346)
You are delusional if you think so.