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Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by swarnie on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:44AM (#35482077)
Since the US don't extradite even for serious offences You can probably just ignore it and be tried in absentia if caught and prosecuted.

You'll have to join the 66% of your countrymen who can't travel abroad however.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by ledauphin on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:46AM (#35482090)
this is an interesting statistic. I'd love to have a reference!
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by pacaro on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:52AM (#35482154)
https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021...

Apparently only 37% of Americans have a valid current passport

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by ghaff on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:19AM (#35482486)
Even assuming that includes passport cards for Canada/Mexico, unless someone lives near the border, an international trip is a relatively big deal for a lot of families. The US is big and has a lot of variety for travel. It's really not surprising that a (sizable) minority don't have near-term plans to travel internationally.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by pacaro on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:00PM (#35483102)
Absolutely agree. The socio-economic breakdown of the research backs this up. It's very strongly correlated with household income
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by killjoywashere on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:51AM (#35482139)
Seems there are some stats running around about the number of US citizens who hold passports.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning...

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by drstewart on Friday April 07, 2023 @10:55AM (#35482191)
Can't is a strong word to use word for people who opt not to have a passport.

I'd use that same logic to then say 99.9% of Europeans can't travel abroad since they don't have a valid airline ticket in their possession. If your response is "well they can just get one!" then maybe you should rethink your argument.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by tialaramex on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:11AM (#35482383)
> I'd use that same logic to then say 99.9% of Europeans can't travel abroad since they don't have a valid airline ticket in their possession.

That doesn't make any sense, you can literally walk to foreign countries from most of Europe. Because of Schengen large parts of the EU you don't even need any paperwork, the rationale is that it was legal for you to be on that side of the border, you strolled over onto this side, chances are you're legal here too.

If you're in a vehicle (which again, you can walk, it's not mandatory) the Schengen internal borders have no permanent checks. During COVID some of them were closed, and once in a while somebody might put up police stops - like they would for drunk driving (Americans surely have that right?) but in general in Schengen the country borders matter only slightly more than your US state borders do.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by rjsw on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:21AM (#35482519)
There can be customs checks at or near Schengen borders.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by crote on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:50AM (#35482958)
Yes, just like two thirds of Americans can encounter a customs check on their daily commute because they live within 100 miles of a border.

Schengen borders can have customs checks, but only temporarily in nature as a last resort in case of a serious threat to public policy or security, and in such a way as to impose the absolute minimum of restrictions possible.

In practice Schengen borders are comparable to state borders in the US. Sure, they technically are borders, but in practice it is just a line drawn on a map. It is not uncommon for European armies to accidentally "invade" another country because they took a wrong turn during an exercise.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by Godel_unicode on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:21AM (#35482510)
> That doesn't make any sense

They know. That’s the point.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by hgsgm on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:32AM (#35482682)
Most people of Europe does not currently have enough food and water to make a trip across a national border, if we are still talking about arbitrary temporary constraints.

Almost no one in Great Britain can travel to the Continent unless they are already in a boat.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by swarnie on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:09PM (#35483211)
I'd love to know where you get your news.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by crote on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:13PM (#35483276)
... what?

I think you are greatly overestimating the size of many European countries. A significant fraction of the population lives within 75 miles of a national border. That's a bottle of water and a snack by car - if you're feeling thirsty when you leave. If you go by bike you might want to pack a lunch, but that's about it.

If you have a job, any job, you have the means to be in another country tomorrow evening.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by dukeyukey on Friday April 07, 2023 @04:24PM (#35486524)
How long do you think it takes to go to a foreign country? Couldn't a Brit just take the Eurostar to Paris?
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by Lio on Friday April 07, 2023 @04:55PM (#35486878)
This is such nonsense.

People in the UK can travel to Northern Ireland, part of the UK, and legally walk into the Republic of Ireland, an EU member nation. So the point still stands.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by drstewart on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:28AM (#35482634)
>That doesn't make any sense, you can literally walk to foreign countries from most of Europe

Replace "abroad" with overseas then.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by inglor_cz on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:15AM (#35482433)
Interestingly, paperless travel was the norm in Europe before 1914, too, though there was no Schengen. Happier times before the war tore down mutual trust among countries.

Only the Russian empire and the Ottoman empire required passports from foreign visitors.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by Woeps on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:01AM (#35482264)
Funnily enough you can go to most countries in the EU without a passport or a airline ticket if you're European. (you only need an ID card)

But I digress and think you're right. Probably lots of people simple don't need/want a passport to travel outside of the US. Otherwise they would have had one

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by RamblingCTO on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:07AM (#35482330)
you might not even need an ID practically, just legally. I've never been checked at borders or whatever in Europe. Not even when flying to Madeira or exiting/entering the Geneva airport, which is not EU.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by Lio on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:03AM (#35482287)
You're assuming you need a valid airline ticket to travel abroad in Europe, you don't.

It's perfectly possible to travel abroad in Europe without any form of ticket. You can just drive, walk, cycle or sail and many people do regularly.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by Godel_unicode on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:20AM (#35482490)
They’re explicitly not making that point. They’re in fact arguing that “can’t” is a weird choice of word for which the post they’re responding to has drawn an extremely arbitrary line.

If anything, you and (at the moment) all of your siblings are helping explain just how arbitrary the line is.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by ta1243 on Friday April 07, 2023 @01:05PM (#35484036)
Is it not possible to drive, walk, cycle or sail from the US to Canada or Mexico?
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by Lio on Friday April 07, 2023 @04:42PM (#35486716)
Not legally without a passport.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by qwytw on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:06AM (#35482315)
> 99.9% of Europeans can't travel abroad

Some of them and I'm guessing more than 0.1% could just walk to another country by midnight (it's 5PM CET). And way more than that if they set off next morning.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by crote on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:23PM (#35483423)
In seven hours I can leave The Netherlands, cross Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, and end up in the southern part of Germany. Give me two more hours and I can visit Liechtenstein, Austria, and Italy too.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by qwytw on Saturday April 08, 2023 @01:06PM (#35495331)
Probably not on foot though?
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by dukeyukey on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:14PM (#35497146)
No, although in 13 hours you could walk from Belgium through Luxembourg and into Germany. And you could add France without much bother too.
Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by swarnie on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:07PM (#35483190)
No i think its accurate.

At the point of asking "Can you travel abroad?" the answer for 67% is "No"

Also as a European i can walk to another country now before nightfall if you pack me some sandwiches and promise me a bed/pint when i arrive.

Re:The longest straight line in Great Britain (without cross... by jcranmer on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:50AM (#35482960)
Traveling internationally from the US is a major trip in a way that it's just not in the EU.

From Edinburgh, you can reach 9 foreign countries in 1000 km: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, and Ireland. That's on the edge of Europe! If you're in Vienna, it's a whopping 31: Denmark, Sweden, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Czechia, Switzerland, Slovakia, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican City, Slovenia, Croatia, Northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Hungary, with Turkey and the UK juuuust out of reach.

From the US, if you live in Miami, a whopping four countries are within 1000 km: Cuba, Bahamas, Jamaica, and the UK (via its offshore islands). For most of the US, it's just one--either Canada or Mexico. Only if you're in Puerto Rico can you access a large number of countries in a short distance, and that's mostly because almost every Antilles island is a different independent country.

Or another way of putting it, in the distance it takes to get from the third largest city in the US (Chicago) to the largest (New York), it is hard to find a straight line in even the largest European countries that keeps you in the country!