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Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by prottog on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:12PM (#35470480)
> Can I sue the company? They’re the ones who trained the model, but there’s no intent.

Negligent torts don't require intent.

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by WalterBright on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:16PM (#35470553)
Libel requires:

1. knowing it was false

2. publication

3. damages

I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by NegativeK on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:21PM (#35470626)
As a non-lawyer: the creators of ChatGPT know that it'll say false things frequently.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by ben_w on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:26PM (#35470714)
Given how many critics say "GPT is just a better autocomplete", would autocomplete for "The most incompetent programmer in the world is…" result in legal action if any of the options was a name?
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by Plasmoid on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:13PM (#35476367)
Google is pretty notorious for putting their finger on the output of the search autocomplete
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by OkayPhysicist on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:36PM (#35476558)
Defamation in the US, unlike other countries with much weaker free speech laws, has a very high bar to reach. To be liable for defaming a public figure from within the US you must publicize[1] material falsehoods[2] that you either knew were false or were negligently reckless about fact checking[3] leading to provable damages[4] stemming from the fact that people believed the falsehood[5].

Ignoring the GPT part of the problem all together, claiming someone to be the most incompetent programmer in the world would probably fail [2] for being understood as a statement of opinion rather than fact, possibly [3] if there was any basis for the claim whatsoever, likely [4] because the named individual would have to prove they were damaged somehow (maybe not if it led to them being denied employment or something), and [5] because the average reader would almost certainly understand it as hyperbole.

Reintroducing the GPT part, assuming the defendant is OpenAI for output of GPT, I would also argue a failure on point [1]. OpenAI doesn't release to the general public the output of the GPT program.

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by WalterBright on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:26PM (#35470706)
If the output of ChatGPT is not copyrightable because it is not created by a human, then it should follow that a human cannot be held accountable for what it generates.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by michaelmrose on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:50PM (#35471069)
Neither copyright nor copyrightability has anything whatsoever to do with any element of any cause of action thus it is wholly orthogonal to whether anyone has been wronged in any unrelated fashion.

Judges are liable to be old, not very hip to technology, and incredibly suspicious of any argument that would allow someone to opt out of traditional culpability by adding with an AI to the end of a description of traditional wrong doing.

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by posterboy on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:39PM (#35471741)
Yeah but no, the implicature still allows copyright without culpability (edited: got that mixed up). The assumption seems to be that the lack of intent in creation, where it is unpredictable, would likewise imply lack of intent to harm. But that doesn't say much.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by posterboy on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:29PM (#35471602)
> If the output of ChatGPT is not copyrightable because it is not created by a human,

Isn't compiler output copyrightable?

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by WalterBright on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:29PM (#35473235)
> Isn't compiler output copyrightable?

Not by the compiler vendor.

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by flangola7 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:25PM (#35472353)
Someone will have to be found accountable. What about when we start hooking these systems up to machinery? If AirlinerGPT kills 200 people and an NFL team, people will absolutely not accept that there's no one responsible. There will be congressional subpoenas, sweeping new laws will be passed. It's best we start thinking ahead of time what we want those laws to be.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by ImPostingOnHN on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @07:17AM (#35523478)
the people responsible will be the ones who hooked a plane up to chatGPT knowing that chatGPT can't be intrinsically trusted, not the makers of chatGPT itself

if a pilot gave the airliner controls to a dog, we wouldn't blame the dog or its parents for crashing the plane

Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by kristjansson on Saturday April 08, 2023 @12:23PM (#35494823)
Sure, but humans should absolutely be liable for what they do with the output they compel it to generate.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by michaelmrose on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:43PM (#35470970)
Reckless disregard for the truth is as good as it being knowingly false. If I said WalterBright is a villain planning to nuke the world from his Volcano lair I don't KNOW its false but it probably is!
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by not_a_pipe on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:31PM (#35471641)
You don't need to know something was false, you just need to be negligent in validating your sources. Otherwise you could just make stuff up and say you didn't know it was false.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by WakoMan12 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:26PM (#35475362)
i am a lawyer this is legal advice: kill yourself to avoid taxes
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by Animats on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:44PM (#35476622)
This varies by country. US law is quite different from UK law in this area.
Re:Defamed by ChatGPT: Law professor libeled from whole cloth by tzs on Thursday April 06, 2023 @10:25PM (#35477273)
You are probably thinking about libel against public figures. That generally requires the plaintiff to prove that the defendant acted with actual malice, which in turn usually requires either showing that the defendant knew their statements were false or acted with reckless disregard for whether they were true or false.

For libel against someone who is not a public figure the defendant does not have to have known their statements were false. The plaintiff just needs to prove the defendant was negligent.