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Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by legitster on Thursday April 06, 2023 @11:56AM (#35470234)
> BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, has played no part in the pension reforms. But workers targeted the company because of its work for private pension funds, according to protester Françoise Onic, a school teacher who spoke to Reuters.

Uh... this makes no sense. At first I thought it was a coincidence, but nope, it was intentional and targeted.

> “The meaning of this action is quite simple. We went to the headquarters of BlackRock to tell them: the money of workers, for our pensions, they are taking it,” Jerome Schmitt, spokesman for French union SUD, told CNN affiliate BFM-TV.

Again, this makes absolutely no sense. The protesters aren't even aligned on why they are there. If this was about the pensions this moment would be a bit like keying your own car.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by prepend on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:43PM (#35470967)
Mobs aren’t typically known for being smart or avoiding stupid actions.

What’s weird here is that it seems more like willful stupidity rather than just random mobs burning things due to chaos.

I think it’s some sort of availability bias. Black rock isn’t doing the thing they dislike but they are big and have an office in Paris; therefore, burn it down as an effigy of the system I dislike.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by legitster on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:05PM (#35471279)
Well, the mobs have at least been pretty peaceful. So much as they have a goal it's to get attention. They probably had a dozen different targets they try to hit in a day, tell any media that show up why they are there, and then move on. Actually having a good reason is unimportant - they are just trying to hack a way into a news cycle.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by prepend on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:43PM (#35473381)
> pretty peaceful

I don’t like this description. Peaceful protests are peaceful. Pretty peaceful protests aren’t peaceful.

There was a protest in my town recently where a cop car was set on fire and a bunch of windows were smashed. Maybe 200-500 people total but it was described as “mostly peaceful.” While that is true as I think only 10 people were arrested and more were violent, but that’s like 5-10% violent and the rest peaceful. I don’t think that’s earnest and truthful and I’d rather like to know if a group is peaceful or not.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by anigbrowl on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:31PM (#35473978)
There's a fundamental difference between property and people, and many people consider interpersonal violence as the dividing line between what's peaceful or not. This cannot be decided unilaterally. Using a zero-tolerance approach leads to outcomes like police gassing crowds of thousands of people because one individual flung a water bottle in their general direction.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by prepend on Thursday April 06, 2023 @10:21PM (#35477248)
Oh certainly. A burned car is a different form of violence than someone beaten or killed.

But “mostly peaceful” protests are the bad kind of protests. I think they are more accurately described as light riots or something or mostly peaceful riots. Or some inflection point between a lawful, peaceful protest and a violent protest.

The police actually just kind of watched the protesters smashing and burning stuff and they certainly werent tear gassing people. But I think that they do need to do something to stop violent/mostly peaceful protests and arresting 9 out of 100-200 rioters doesn’t seem to be reducing the number of riots.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by dumpsterdiver on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:39AM (#35478090)
While I agree there is a difference between committing acts of violence against people and inanimate objects, I would consider damaging or destroying a person's home or primary means of transportation (perhaps one and the same) as a direct attack upon that person's well-being. It's not accurate to say that a protest is mostly peaceful when random citizens lose their ability to drive to work and subsequently take on unexpected costs that might devastate them financially.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by cudgy on Friday April 07, 2023 @07:33AM (#35480522)
How is 90-95% peaceful not “mostly peaceful”?
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by prepend on Friday April 07, 2023 @08:11AM (#35480762)
I mean that “mostly peaceful” isn’t a good label as it downplays the important piece that most protests are peaceful. So a “mostly peaceful” is actually a violent protest.

It’s like describing someone charged with domestic abuse as “mostly a loving spouse who almost never beat their spouse.” True, but disingenuous.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by anigbrowl on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:28PM (#35473939)
That seems strategic rather than stupid.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by kneebonian on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:09PM (#35471334)
In me it seems more of an expression with a general dissatisifaction with the current massive conglomerates that seem to be ossfying into a defacto ruling class.

Blackrock is a massive player that is by some accounts, possibly the largest and most powerful hedge fund in the world, that is doing things like buying up houses to rent out, pursuing ESG initiatives extensively etc.

It's not about the pensions so much as it is an expression of outrage about the powerlessness people are feeling and directing it at what is precieved to be one of the sources of that powerlessness.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by yardie on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:33PM (#35471661)
I think you have Blackrock confused with Blackstone. A slightly different hedge fund that is heavily invested in REIT.

This is quite a common occurrence and even I get them confused.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by legitster on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:29PM (#35471601)
I have no idea why Blackrock is such a lightning rod for bad financial literacy.

Blackrock is not a hedge fund. They are an asset manager. They take your money and park it into the market for you. To the extent that they exercise any discretion over the market basically comes down to the stock blend they put into their otherwise very boring index fund options.

(BTW, BlackSTONE was the company that was buying up houses.)

> In me it seems more of an expression with a general dissatisifaction with the current massive conglomerates that seem to be ossfying into a defacto ruling class.

Okay, sure. If you want to take down global capitalism, go for it. But functional pension programs rely on bond and investment markets to function. If French politicians are looking for ways to keep their pension programs from collapsing, attacking the mechanisms that service your pension programs dilutes your message.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by dangwhy on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:14PM (#35471407)
> buying up houses to rent out

I've seen this reported many times even in places like nytimes but never seen actual numbers behind it. I 've read number between 3% and even as high as 20% .

My impression was it was ordinary upper income ppl like high end tech workers , retirees ect that were doing most of the buying and renting. A vast majority of my friends now own rental properties by directly buying them or turning their previous residence into a rental.

We all want one evil villain to blame but reality is much more complicated. Thats why movements like occupy wall st acoomplish nothing. Wouldn't it be easy if the problem can be solved by taking down one evil dude in his castle.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/22524829/wall-street-housin...

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by legitster on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:32PM (#35471646)
Blackrock never actually directly invested in rental properties. BlackSTONE did, and poor Twitter journalism led people to believe they were the same company.

FWIW: institutional investors buying up single-family-homes (at least in the US) never really worked out. The FHA and VA programs are such huge players in the US loan market that individual investors can still outcompete big guys on financing.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by mistrial9 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:02PM (#35472012)
> single-family-homes (at least in the US) never really worked out.

this is mis-information by incompleteness. There are records and there are lies, with a non-zero overlap. Source- investor/accountant with a US California Masters degree in Taxation

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by TylerE on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:28PM (#35471588)
Gotta start somewhere.

Taking out one evil dude = one less evil dude = better society.

Do not let perfect be the enemy of good.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by mistermann on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:23PM (#35471532)
> We all want one evil villain to blame but reality is much more complicated. Thats why movements like occupy wall st acoomplish nothing.

Whether the demise of OWS was 100% due to their shortcomings and actions is speculative - a lot of people think the original demise and subsequent massive increase in culture war catching the media's attention (and in turn, dividing the public on yet another contentious issue) was to some degree coordinated...and I am one of those people.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by anigbrowl on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:35PM (#35474025)
The failure of Occupy was in trying to establish a parallel polity and engage in discourse, because there was no plan about what to do next. Prefiguration is a misleading political fantasy.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by ekianjo on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:13PM (#35471397)
> spokesman for French union SUD

An union representative. Usually complete morons. They routinely justify detaining people like execs during strikes to get what they want.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by causi on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:19PM (#35471469)
Is this terminology I'm not familiar with or are you saying French unions regularly kidnap people?
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by wunderland on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:19PM (#35471480)
Just because CNN writes “BlackRock ... has played no part in the pension reforms”, can you not see how the world’s largest asset manager — which manages many private pensions — would obviously have a clear interest in such pension reforms? This isn’t complicated.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by legitster on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:36PM (#35471697)
Sure, but Blackrock managing your pension is all the same to them whether you start drawing on it at 62 vs 64.

If anything, the collapse of the French public pension system would be a net benefit to their business if people start fleeing to private investments.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by ngrost24 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:00PM (#35471982)
The way I see it, if the pension fund has less money there's less to manage and also less to gain from. If the people flee to private investments, they do not necessarily flee to Blackrock.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by realusername on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:02PM (#35472004)
That's the opposite though, the pension fund gets more money because of the reforms.

Sure the workers are screwed in favour of retired people but the fund is increasing with this change.

Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by ubercow13 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:20PM (#35472277)
Isn't this change about the public pension, which is not a fund at all, it's simply a transfer from workers to retirees? Blackrock has nothing to do with that money, except in that if the money becomes insufficient, people might privately invest in Blackrock products to make up the difference.
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by realusername on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:00PM (#35471983)
And by how much those reforms are adding private pensions into the mix?
Re:Protesters storm BlackRock’s Paris office by mistermann on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:20PM (#35471488)
> Again, this makes absolutely no sense.

You might say the same about large quantities of public policy, written by The Experts, with little regard for public sentiment, in this so called "democracy".

Let's hope that the elites aren't too inconvenienced in their walled neighbourhoods by these non-expert's lack of expertise.