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Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by ZeroGravitas on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:31AM (#35465782)
People are so wedded to fossil fuel religion, they'd rather pretend their country is entirely incapable of the most basic tasks.

China isn't playing by the pretend limitations you put on yourself and it looks like you've already admitted they deserve to be the new hegemon. Yay for totalitarian communism I guess.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by Gigachad on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:59AM (#35465956)
Lol yeah, I read the title thinking “yeah obviously, nothing at population wide scale is a simple task”.

It’s a good thing we are pretty good at performing all kinds of not simple tasks and have been for a very long time.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by aziaziazi on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:02AM (#35467195)
> have been for a very long time

Aren’t we good at this especially since fossils fuels ?

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by inglor_cz on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:36AM (#35466203)
"Yay for totalitarian communism I guess"

Unless the government in its infinite wisdom decides to exterminate all sparrows or so and causes a countrywide famine, I guess...

Some of the limitations are pretend, but some are very real. European countries in general want their grid to be stable and reliable, and the surges and dips of power that come from "too much sun" or "too much wind", or lack of either, are going against it.

On the other hand, India, mentioned in the article, has so many blackouts already that it can cope with some extra instability. Of course, the unreliability of the grid contributes to the reluctance of foreign investors to build industrial plants in India, which is a major downside, but hey, they can alter their grid faster.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by ZeroGravitas on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:01AM (#35466360)
That entire framing of "renewables == unstable grid" is the false premise this entire article rests on. It's just out-of-date, proven to be wrong by decades of experience FUD.

"Too much" solar and wind are not, and have never been, a problem for a grid.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by paulmac_ie on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:42AM (#35466592)
The issue isn't that the grid can't handle large amount of renewables, it's that renewables aren't consistent.

Large thermal plants provide inertia that renewables simply can't provide. A lot of the work around incorporating renewables into grids is around the provision of synthetic inertia and how to manage sudden drops in supply.

Battery storage is one solution. Better demand response solutions backed by energy markets that incentivise the participation of large numbers of energy users is another.

Grids that have a high level of interconnection with other grids also reduces the impact of inconsistent supply, but not every grid has enough inter-connections for that to be a viable full solution. (See ERCOT in Texas, AEMO in Australia, Eirgrid in Ireland for examples)

Here in Ireland, we frequently run the grid up to 80% renewables, but the grid operator only does that because they have the mechanisms in places to handle sudden drops in supply.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by jacquesm on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:18AM (#35466448)
Almost. Along the German border there are a couple of HV interconnects and those definitely caused trouble on the other side on high wind days.

https://www.google.com/search?q=germany+czech+grid+windfarm+...

Most of this has been dealt with in the meantime, but such problems really do occur, but they're utterly blown out of proportion by the anti-renewables lobby.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by ZeroGravitas on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:53AM (#35467681)
> He said Germany could solve the problem by allowing its grid operators to turn off renewable sources at times of excess production, which is not currently possible under German law.

This is not a technical problem, but a legal one. And even the legal issue has at least 3 technical solutions, they're just negotiating over who should bear the cost of working around the legal situation.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by pas on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:12AM (#35466793)
well, not so fast. so far China managed to build a lot of things in a lot of places, but increasingly they are facing a problem of population-generation mismatch, so they would need to build a lot of cross-country transit capacity, which is not cheap, not simple.

and that's also one of the reasons they still have so many coal fired plants close to population centers.

and we'll see how long Xi's luck lasts (which in practice means how long the benefits of the reforms will last, before the inevitable corruption of dictatorships eats it up)

also, tiny nitpicking, so far it seems China is just very authoritarian, but not totalitarian like North Korea.

Re:Adding capacity to the electricity grid is not a simple task by ZeroGravitas on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:44AM (#35467594)
China is a world leader in HVDC and UHVDC transmission and has been for over a decade:

https://www.power-technology.com/features/chinas-mega-transm...

> The Changji-Guquan +/-1,100kV project is a major technical step-up, making it the world’s highest DC voltage,” said Liu ZeHong, executive vice president of SGCC. The project is the first of its kind, but could be followed by many more crisscrossing Asia and the world. Already SGCC has plans for the construction of more ultra-high-voltage DC (UHVDC) lines both domestically and as part of its Belt and Road Initiative, a project that is aiming to increase Chinese-led infrastructure investment in more than 80 countries.

> SGCC president Liu Zhenya has dubbed UHVDC an “intercontinental ballistic missile”. It is a key part of his Global Energy Interconnection initiative,

Its amazing what you can achieve when the main conversation isn't "are all the scientists hoaxing us because they irrationally hate our precious fossil fuels?".