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Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by XorNot on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:18PM (#35463718)
It's a mistake to think "authoritarian" means "effective". It doesn't. Authoritarian governments derive their power from the appearance of power, and that amongst other things means being brutal and never admitting that you're wrong.

In China's case, it means that simultaneously a bunch of people would be welded into their apartments, but that the government would also cover up and ignore high-enough level officials who disregarded orders, or criticism that they were ignoring important vectors. China is very corrupt: whatever they announced they were doing publicly wasn't done remotely effectively - it was PR for how tough and untouchable the government is.

Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by mc32 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:27PM (#35463796)
I'm sorry, but this just bolsters my position. There is no society where people will perfectly obey "stay put" orders. It's not possible. You have to tend to the infirm, you have to run critical systems, people need to eat (not even 50% people have ten days worth of rations stocked up; who is going to distribute more food, water and meds as they run out, etc?)
Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by epgui on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:46AM (#35464609)
> There is no society where people will perfectly obey "stay put" orders. It's not possible.

It doesn't need to be perfect. Depending on the specific intervention in question, you only need to exceed some critical threshold of compliance to get R_t below 1.0.

Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by bsaul on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:37AM (#35465428)
i think the last two years shown that nothing acceptable from a human rights pov could have been done to stop the pandemic from spreading once it was out of the bag.

i'm not sure which example makes you think things could have been different.

Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by sudosysgen on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:35AM (#35467520)
R_t was under 1 in the US for extended periods of time, so your idea that the required measures can't be implemented there is empirically false.
Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by cameldrv on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:10AM (#35464763)
Original COVID had an unmitigated R of about 3. All you have to do is reduce transmission 66% and you beat it. China did this very successfully. The later variants were much more transmissible though.

With BA.5 the unmitigated R is probably north of 10 and China had to throw in the towel, because reducing transmission 90+% is much harder.

Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by bsaul on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:39AM (#35465454)
"china did this successfully"

We have absolutely no idea what happened in china. We know they hid things in the beginning, and in the end ( when they stopped counting infections after opening the fates to omicron). What makes you think they told the truth in the middle ?

Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by saalweachter on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:28AM (#35467438)
Because we know what a disaster it was at the end?

We got the footage and reports of hospitals and mortuaries overwhelmed when it ran rampant at the end, but in the middle we just got complaints about how much the isolation policies sucked.

Why did the propaganda masters hide all the death in the middle but not at the end? Why did it look like a disease spreading through a mostly-naive population in the end, rather than a wave-N population like everywhere else?

Doubt was a reasonable position in the middle, from the outside, but after how it ended it looks pretty clear there was very little in the way of COVID in China for two years.

Re:Tesla Master Plan Part 3 by cameldrv on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:39PM (#35471733)
If there were widespread covid on the scale of every other country, China is not so closed off that they could keep that a secret.