> today they are grateful for being treated as 2nd class citizens

That isn’t what you said. You pushed back on the notion that people fought and continue to fight for others’ rights in America in a way they don’t in modern Russia (or China). That isn’t true, and it isn’t true that America Blacks or women are worse off today than they were two hundred years ago, as OP argued when you pushed back. Perfect is the enemy of good; you’re arguing against American values on a thread about modern Russia.

i just love reminding americans that the high pedistal they immagine they sit on when they lecture everyone is actually just a kitsch pigsty

So long as you acknowledge that our current pigsty is much cleaner than Russia's. The best you can point to is genocides and atrocities we committed 170 years ago, whereas Russia is attempting to commit similar genocides as we speak. And it's not the first time the Russians have committed genocide against Ukrainians. I guess when your nation doesn't change that much in 100 years it's hard to understand that other nations do, so calling up crimes from generations ago makes sense. I bet you berate the modern Mongolians for the crimes of Genghis Khan, and modern Italians for the many massacres committed by the Romans.

>The best you can point to is genocides and atrocities we committed 170 years ago, whereas Russia is attempting to commit similar genocides as we speak

russia's war in ukraine: 25,000+ civilians killed

number of civilian victims in Vietnam killed by US armed forces: 100,000+

number of civilian victims killed due to US dropping two atomic bombs on Japan: 200,000+

number of civilian deaths due to war in iraq: 200,000+

need i point out more?

as i said, kitsch pigsty. understand the evils committed by your own government before you lecture others. after all you have more freedom than russian people, hence more personal responsibility too. if people do this across the world, world would be a much happier place

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> russia's war in ukraine: 25,000+ civilians killed

> number of civilian victims in Vietnam killed by US armed forces: 100,000+

You do know the US involvement in Vietnam lasted 20 years, and Russia is barely past the 1 year mark in Ukraine, right?

those are statistics for 12 years of civilian deaths by the us military directly. they are not all the civilian deaths that occured during the vietnam war

during the same period, for a time span of 3 years, the us bombed cambodia and killed over 200,000 civilians as a result

> And it's not the first time the Russians have committed genocide against Ukrainians

im curious, when do you think was the first one? i mean there was the period of famine while ukraine was part of the ussr, but if thats what you mean lets get few simple facts straight

1) ukraine was an equal republic of the ussr

2) russia was a seperate republic of the ussr. russia had no authority about what goes on in ukraine

3) ussr at that time had a supreme ruler who was of georgian ethnicity

so even if we agree that systematic genocide did happen, it is very hard to argue that russia had anything to do with it

curiously, every time a russian ruled ussr, ukraine was rather well off. for example, under lenin ussr promoted ukranianization [1], under khrushchev ukraine got gifted crimea, while the ussr got a ukranian as its supreme leader [2]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Brezhnev

If you are referencing Holodomor, then it was not targeted at Ukraine. Yes Ukraine was hit hard by it, having half of total death toll from communist-induced famine. But other half were also Russians and Kazakhs. Bolsheviks while not being shy about ethnic-based genocide didn't really care about ethnicity of victims at that case.