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Re:We need a much more sophisticated debate about AI by burnished on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:19PM (#35443856)
Phantom limb pain is still part of a physical system and does not 'arise from the mind' in some abstract sense. The absence of a signal is in a sense a signal.
Re:We need a much more sophisticated debate about AI by nanny on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:58PM (#35445123)
>Phantom limb pain is still part of a physical system and does not 'arise from the mind'

Careful, because you seem to have implied that the mind is not a physical system (i.e. you've assumed that dualism or idealism is true and that physicalism is wrong).

Re:We need a much more sophisticated debate about AI by burnished on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:30PM (#35446105)
Oh thats funny, I'm having a hard time reading that interpretation, my point more specifically is that it is all a purely physical system - I put scare quotes around that phrase because I believed it implied some metaphysical mind.
Re:We need a much more sophisticated debate about AI by nanny on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:29PM (#35447677)
Ahh I see what you mean now, sorry. I mistakenly inferred something that wasn't there. I agree that it's all part of a physical system and that the absence of the signal is still meaningful.

Getting back to the topic:

While phantom pain may be more interesting, maybe a better example that the parent comment could've brought up is psychogenic pain. In this case there is no apparent physical (bodily) damage, no apparent signal, nor an absence of a signal. Searching for a cause of this type of pain in the brain (presumably some "wires" are getting "crossed") seems like it might help us develop a explanation of pain qualia...in humans/animals.

But I feel like this type of thinking and research could only apply to AGI if subjective experience turns out to be functionalist in nature, and arguments in favor of a functionalist interpretation of experience have so far been fairly unconvincing.

Re:We need a much more sophisticated debate about AI by hoseja on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @04:49AM (#35451190)
Or he made a distinction between the simple, signalling peripheral nervous system and the highly integrated, full of emergent properties, seemingly more than the sum of its parts, central nervous system.