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Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:13AM (#35438343)
> in 2023 are we still saying “why not” when someone comes up with another cool way to burn hydrocarbons

This is solvable with synthetic fuels and offsets.

> work on ways to reduce travel altogether

Good luck forcing quality of life reduction as an explicit policy goal. Or betting on less contact widening of our circles of empathy in the way we must to address global, long-term problems like climate change.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by vaylian on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:35AM (#35438607)
> This is an entirely solvable problem, between synthetic fuels and offsets.

I wish. But unfortunately, both synthetic fuels (e-fuels) and offsets are severely lacking in terms of actually contributing to solving the problem. We do not have enough energy to produce enough synthetic fuels to cover the same amount of oil and gas that we use today. And carbon offsets are in most cases not a reliable way to actually keep carbon out of the atmosphere long-term.

> Good luck forcing quality of life reduction as an explicit policy goal

Climate change will be the greatest quality of life reduction that humanity has ever faced.

Part of the problem is that people consider being able to travel that much as "quality of life". There is nothing in human psychology that requires us to be as mobile as we are today. In fact, it is harmful that this degree of mobility is deemed "normal" by our western culture. This has to change.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:59AM (#35438908)
> do not have enough energy to produce enough synthetic fuels to cover the same amount of oil and gas that we use today

We’re not jetting around at Mach 9 today. Or tomorrow. Rotating detonation engines [1] are closer to basic research than commerce. The earliest this could be technologically viable is in the 2030s; commercially, the 2050s. (That is ambitious.)

At the point we might consider scaling such kit, our options will be less limited (or we’ll have consigned ourselves to doom). If they aren’t, we can choose not to use it for passenger travel.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_detonation_engine

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by lm28469 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:19AM (#35438406)
> This is solvable with synthetic fuels and offsets.

https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/50689/carbon-...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/18/revealed...

https://www.zeit.de/zustimmung?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de...

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/the-era-of-the-great-...

> Good luck forcing quality of life reduction as an explicit policy goal.

Either we chose to do it willingly or we'll be forced to do it.

One is chose frugality, the other is forced poverty, either way we'll eventually get there

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:20AM (#35438416)
I agree our current offset regime is a scam. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to do right, or that doing it right shouldn’t be a precondition to scaling something like supersonic travel. (Would note that linking to Greenpeace seldom strengthens one’s argument.)

> we chose to do it willingly or we'll be forced to do it

These outcomes are distributed differently.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by xeyownt on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:34AM (#35438605)
What's the problem with Greenpeace?

Because I'm funding their actions since 20 years now, and I wonder if I should switch to something else, like Exxon maybe.

Or... I should stop giving indirectly any €€€ to Exxon and alike, and give all the gains to Greenpeace instead.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by lm28469 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:27AM (#35438496)
So your argument is based on a scam program and fuels we don't really have yet

That's not very convincing. In a perfect world with perfect people and infinite money we could indeed do a lot of crazy things, but then again we have to deal with reality

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:28AM (#35438506)
> your argument is based on a scam program and fuels we don't really have yet

Your problem is based on a Mach 9 proposal and technology we don’t really have yet. We’re both necessarily speculating.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by philistine on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:30AM (#35438539)
Inflation is forcing quality of life reduction on people. The problem is that hasn't correlated with carbon reduction. So it's not the way to do it. What OP is suggesting, directly adressing high carbon sources, is the way to go.
Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by namdnay on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:21AM (#35438425)
> This is solvable with synthetic fuels and offsets.

Well, until it is solved (and it clearly isn’t- carbon offsets are basically bullshit), maybe we should work on that rather than making the amount of stuff to offset even bigger?

Forcing quality of life reduction is going to be hard enough without the world’s 1% (i.e. us) finding new ways to spew out carbon by jetting around at Mach9

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:26AM (#35438482)
> we should work on that rather than making the amount of stuff to offset even bigger

False economy. Developing e.g. rotating detonation engines requires solving flame front, detonation mechanics, additive manufacturing and materials science problems. (Off the top of my head.) Do you really not see any interdisciplinary applications for any of those?

This is the failure of top-down industry planning and scientific regulation: you miss the unexpected stuff.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by xeyownt on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:40AM (#35438665)
Then let's see the unexpected stuff we can get by developing carbon reduction and cheaper transport technologies.

This is the failure of lack of scientific regulation: you go head first in the wall.

Re:A passenger aircraft that flies around the world at Mach ... by relativ575 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:45AM (#35456078)
> Then let's see the unexpected stuff we can get by developing carbon reduction and cheaper transport technologies.

Do both. Does this investment in hypersonic transportation somehow prevent others from pursuing carbon reduction and cheaper transport technologies?