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Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by throwaway1851 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:24PM (#35434608)
If you've reviewed the facts in this case, and that's what you took from it, then I seriously question your reading comprehension ability.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by drewbeck on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:28PM (#35434654)
They were looking for their angle and found it. Reading was not part of the process.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:30PM (#35434677)
I'm familiar with the case. It boils down to thinly corroborated incidents of people saying MEAN things to him.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by dauertewigkeit on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:29PM (#35434667)
You have to go through 8 years of court sitting stress for those $3 million. From that perspective it is a sensible sum.

And the way I see it, somebody has to fight injustice. Otherwise laws are meaningless. This guy did it, and that is his reward. We all benefit.

I would like to see you take on a lawsuit against a multi billion dollar corporation. Do you think it would be a piece of cake?

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by exodust on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:28AM (#35435082)
> "You have to go through 8 years of court sitting..."

The guy turned down $15 million 2 years ago. How can you not see his motivation?

It has nothing to do with "fighting injustice" and everything to do with winning some unreasonably excessive courtroom lottery.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Larrikin on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:23PM (#35434600)
Do you think racism in the work place is ok? How about sexism? Why not homophobia as well? Does smacking the butt of your female coworker really deserve compensation? Where do you draw the line or do you think it should all be ok in the workplace?
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by trappist on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:31PM (#35434686)
If something is not OK, can there not be a penalty for it which is also not OK?
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Larrikin on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:01AM (#35435682)
What do you think the acceptable penalty for racial discrimination in the workplace should be?
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Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Larrikin on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:36PM (#35434715)
Protected classes exist. Libel and slander laws exist. Hate crime law exist. In every single one of those, someone is being "mean" to the other party.

Many of those laws are written in blood, since being "mean" to someone based on traits they're born with and suffering no consequences leads to people being even more "mean".

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by terminatornet on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:29PM (#35434661)
tesla broke california discrimination laws, it has nothing to do with being mean. don't do the crime, etc etc
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:30PM (#35434674)
My point is that the law/how it's applied are ridiculous if it produces this result.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by dauertewigkeit on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:37PM (#35434725)
Frankly, you cannot see past the tip of your nose. Don't comment on how the law is applied.

If nobody sued against discrimination, then discrimination laws would be useless. So fighting discrimination is a public good that we all benefit from. Fighting a lawsuit is hard, especially doing it for almost a whole decade, and against a multi billion dollar corporation.

Should the guy get $10,000 for it? He's not getting paid $3 million, because somebody shouted a slur at him once.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:52PM (#35434823)
Lol if you made any of these arguments to a lawyer they'd laugh at you. That's not how damages are supposed to work, not at all.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by terminatornet on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:38PM (#35434735)
who cares? tesla had 4th quarter earnings of $24 billion last year. $3M is chump change to them
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:31AM (#35435098)
That has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:31AM (#35435103)
Tesla's earnings have absolutely nothing to do with how much this guy deserves to get.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by roflyear on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:32PM (#35434691)
You didn't even read anything about the case!
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Larrikin on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:48PM (#35434805)
Defend racism with your real account
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:30AM (#35435091)
Go take a walk in the hood. I suggest wearing a nice watch and having your phone in hand.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Larrikin on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:34AM (#35435123)
What will happen?
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:49AM (#35435225)
Lmao. Absolutely nothing. Go for it genius.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Larrikin on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:25AM (#35435438)
You were right, I did it.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Beaver117 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:21PM (#35434585)
>In October 2021, a jury awarded him $137 million in damages in the case, but a federal judge threw out that award as excessive. US District Judge William Orrick offered Diaz $15 million in damages in the case instead, but Diaz rejected the offer, choosing instead to have a new trial.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by akomtu on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:37PM (#35434727)
It's blackjack where judge is the dealer.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by Teever on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:22PM (#35434596)
> The case was brought by Owen Diaz, who worked as an elevator operator at the plant. He reported he regularly heard racial slurs, including the N-word, on the Fremont factory floor, and saw racist graffiti in bathrooms and a racially insensitive cartoon.

Why misrepresent something when the truth is only a click away?

But besides that, everyone here knows that you know that the value isn't about damages suffered per se, it's about sending a message to racist people like you.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by no_butterscotch on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:14PM (#35434527)
haha right - this is absurd

we'll reach the peak of this eventually

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by shadowgovt on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:48PM (#35434806)
Question: why is it absurd?
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by peter422 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:17PM (#35434544)
You can't even type the word and yet you think it's fine for somebody to be called that at a workplace?
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by DangitBobby on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:17PM (#35434555)
They didn't say it was okay.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:18PM (#35434559)
Umm if I type it I'd get flagged and probably banned.

Also, I never said it's fine. I just said $3 million in damages is ridiculous.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by peter422 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:22PM (#35434589)
I'm guessing you are not familiar with the case and only read the CNN coverage.

Employers have responsibilities to maintain certain standards at a workplace. Tesla absolutely flaunted those standards to a ridiculous degree. The first jury on the case awarded over $100 million to the plaintiff.

Go look at the evidence presented in the trial. It's not one bad word being used once.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by notch898a on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:59PM (#35434866)
I'd argue it's a first amendment violation for the state to require an employee be fired or reprimanded for saying/writing mean words; but that's not to say there wasn't more to it than that.

The civil rights act itself is a slap in the face of the 10th amendment and should be repealed post haste.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by shadowgovt on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:24PM (#35434611)
Why is $3 million in damages in this case ridiculous?
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:27PM (#35434649)
$3 million dollars because people said MEAN WORDS to you.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by shadowgovt on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:37PM (#35434730)
A number intended to be punitive, yes.

What is your framework for believing that number to be ridiculous? Do you know how such numbers are decided?

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by publicmenace on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:53PM (#35434834)
Yes. Punitive damages are not appropriate to begin with in this case, and certainly not that high.
Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by shadowgovt on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:18AM (#35439120)
A jury decided otherwise regarding the correctness of punitive damages.

Once that was decided, such damages don't scale by damage done; they scale by a figure that would inconvenience the company so as to discourage such flouting of their legally-mandated corporate responsibility in the future.

Re:Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in ra... by ParetoOptimal on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:28PM (#35434651)
> I just said $3 million in damages is ridiculous.

Are you black?