Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl...
by shaklee3 on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:30AM
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5bps/Hz is way overestimating their spectral efficiency.
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl...
by mlyle on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:32AM
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64 QAM with FEC is specified as the original modulation in regulatory filings. This predicts 4.5-5.5 bits/Hz.
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl...
by shaklee3 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:51AM
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Yes, and dvbs-2 also supports very high modulation and code rates. but they're never used in practice since PSD limits don't allow you to transmit that much due to interference on other systems. starlink is not first in line for most of their spectrum, so they're abiding by direct spectral mask limits. I would guess they're at 16APSK at the highest.
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl...
by mlyle on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM
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> so they're abiding by direct spectral mask limits
Yes, obtained by channelization and OFDM, not by limiting modulation.
Reverse engineering of the 10 to 12.7GHz band has shown a mixture of 16-QAM and 64-QAM frames. There's a bit of periodic 4-QAM too, which seems to be for acquisition and synchronization.
Even 16-QAM can climb basically to 5 bits/Hz.
If you use a diameter for a circle area, you need to divide by 4, to get like ~7. I was just going to do 3*3 = 9.
> It looks like Starlink has 7 GHz total downlink bandwidth from satellite to customers. A cell may be ~300 sq km, but no way you can pipe all that bandwidth in adjacent cells due to interference
Both the downlink and the uplink are directional. Yes, there's some power lost in side lobes, but..
So, if you have multiple satellites overhead, you can have a mosaic pattern where satellite A illuminates a hex, and then other satellites illuminate its neighbors. And even though some energy spills over, it's strongly rejected by the receivers because it's coming from the completely wrong direction.
> How many people live in places with fewer than a few people/km^2?
In addition to the incorrect pessimism about downlink bandwidth (also, one should expect ~5bits/Hz)... You're not taking into account any reasonable capacity factor, and you're assuming each service is one person. You're also assuming that you sell through to 100% of the populace and there's no one in the cell served by other technologies. If 95% of a suburban area can get FTTH, cable, or reasonable LTE, that still leaves 5% as possible customers for Starlink to fill in.
> Only Alaska averages below that in the US.
OK, but people are concentrated into cities, leaving a whole lot of land area with concentrations below this even in states with much higher average population density.