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Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by pcthrowaway on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:43PM (#35415567)
I think cars are a lot worse, if we just took those off the street there's be no problem with people scooting on the streets
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by publicmenace on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:46PM (#35415598)
So that's a whole other debate (and I disagree), but even if you're right, getting rid of cars would be a gradual, multi-decade project. It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. You can't just abandon the city. These cities represent trillions of dollars of investment.

Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect would be a few scooter companies going bankrupt.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by pcthrowaway on Sunday April 02, 2023 @06:25PM (#35415918)
I don't actually want to get rid of cars, I was just pointing out how ridiculous your argument sounds.

I want people to have options, and for large cities to promote less environmentally destructive modes of transportation that are also more accessible and take up less space. Yeah, maybe you see people leaving scooters on the sidewalks; I see shared use of public infrastructure that doesn't have to have large amounts of space dedicated for 'parking'

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by pm90 on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:49PM (#35415629)
> It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars.

Well but it is. Restricting/Eliminating cars in city centers especially would do wonders to promote them as places that people want to live in.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by yladiz on Sunday April 02, 2023 @06:03PM (#35415744)
Too many American city centers aren’t really set up for non-car usage, so even if cars went away, people would need to walk pretty big distances to get to where they’re going. Modern American cities need to be fundamentally redesigned to support a car free or reduced system.
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by pcthrowaway on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:51PM (#35416701)
I realize you're talking about the current feasability of non-car transportation, which it sounds like we all agree leaves something to be desired.

Banning new modes of transportation is really just going to reinforce the existing car-centric design of cities though.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by kortilla on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:52PM (#35415647)
> dramatically improving various urban areas

That’s just in your opinion though. Scooters are super convenient if you’re not just an old fuddy dud afraid of new things.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by bombolo on Sunday April 02, 2023 @06:00PM (#35415716)
It's so convenient having to lift them up and throw them out of the way all the time! /s

And while everybody must pay for parking or public soil occupation… apparently these companies are exempt and can completely fill a sidewalk for free (of course people then have to walk on the bike lane).

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by lmm on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:09AM (#35419139)
> Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect would be a few scooter companies going bankrupt.

There are probably already people who depend on them to get to work - and those people are probably far more marginalised and vulnerable than car drivers.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by anhner on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:07AM (#35420125)
At the prices these scooter sharing companies are asking these days, I'd hardly call the people dependent on them "marginalised"...
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by lmm on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:34AM (#35421765)
Compared to the price of a used car these days?
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by anhner on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:01AM (#35435683)
Where I live, it's more expensive than ride sharing (taxi or otherwise)
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by HPsquared on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:25AM (#35420266)
Trouble is, the e-scooters are a pretty good replacement for private cars. Allowing them would facilitate a reduction in cars.