Catch-23: The New C Standard Sets the World on Fire

Re:Catch-23: The New C Standard Sets the World on Fire by AlotOfReading on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:35PM (#35415495)

Can you cite that? It runs against a plain reading of the standards (both C and C++) and would be insane for the standard to allow "correct" programs to include those with undefined behavior. There was even an unadopted proposal (n853 [1]) attempting to clarify this.

While I was making sure I wasn't missing something obvious, I took a look through the rest of the WG14 proposals to see if I was somehow off in my understanding regarding translators being allowed to barf over UB anywhere in the program. There was a proposal clarifying the situation to the possible-execution understanding from upthread submitted by Victor Yodaiken (n2278 [2]), but unfortunately it was also never adopted.

[1] https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n853.htm

[2] https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2278.pdf

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Re:Catch-23: The New C Standard Sets the World on Fire by Kranar on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:59AM (#35418732)

You are now mixing correct and conforming programs. Neither the C or C++ Standard mention anything involving correct programs. C uses the term conforming program and C++ uses the term well-formed program.

In C a conforming program is any program that satisfies any single conforming implementation, even if said implementation includes extensions or non-portable constructs. A strictly conforming program is a program that satisfies every conforming implementation, which implies that said program does not produce an output that depends on undefined, unspecified, or implementation defined behavior.

In C++ a well-formed program is any program that satisfies the syntax rules, diagnosable semantic rules and the one-definition rule.

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