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Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by pablo1107 on Saturday April 01, 2023 @09:11AM (#35400039)
Maybe using Nix it's a better experience for creating such an environment where you depending also on system utilities.
Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by superkuh on Saturday April 01, 2023 @11:54AM (#35401252)
Everyone is using llama.cpp because we reject the idea of giving up on system libraries like nix does. That kind of tomfoolery (at least in the desktop context) is only required when you use software projects that use libraries/languages which break forwards compatibility every 3 years.

If you just write straight c++ (without c++xx, or anything like it) you can compile the code on machines from decades ago if you want.

Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by jart on Saturday April 01, 2023 @02:09PM (#35402510)
Docker. Don't forget Docker. I pretty much checked out the day using it became a requirement just to talk to a GPU and didn't do much with machine learning until llama.cpp came along.
Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by remexre on Saturday April 01, 2023 @07:19PM (#35405209)
What's c++xx?
Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by opless on Sunday April 02, 2023 @02:06AM (#35407666)
C++11, and greater.
Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by remexre on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:26PM (#35416499)
Huh, I was proficient in Rust before "properly" learning C++, so maybe that accounts for it, but I didn't realize C++11 was controversial. Is it just move semantics, or are there some library things that are hard to implement?
Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by int_19h on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:30PM (#35431561)
I think what OP is saying is that decades-old systems wouldn't have C++11-compatible compilers on them.
Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by bboygravity on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:49AM (#35441542)
And maybe that "C++" is now basically a bunch of different incompatible languages instead of just 1 language, depending on what "xx" is (11, 14, 17, 20, 23, etc).

It's like Python 2 vs Python 3 except even worse.

Re:Llama.cpp 30B runs with only 6GB of RAM now by int_19h on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:32PM (#35444029)
In my experience, C++03 code works just fine without changes on a C++11 and C++14 compilers, so no, it's not at all like Python 2/3. The few features that were ripped out were exactly the stuff that pretty much no-one was using for good reasons (e.g. throw-specifications).