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Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by account42 on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:06AM (#35384425)
Even without the privacy issues it is insane that you are forced to do business with certain corporations in order to fully participate in society. But most people don't care or open alternatives would be more popular.
Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by JustSomeNobody on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:26AM (#35387637)
> But most people don't care or open alternatives would be more popular.

I disagree with your premise.

Whatsapp wasn't always owned by FB/Meta. It had a huge user base then got bought out.

Alternatives like Signal are popular, but it's hard to overcome inertia. Give them time.

Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by nevinera on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:58AM (#35388097)
.. time to get a huge userbase and then bought out?
Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by t0bia_s on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:49PM (#35394124)
No. Centralised IM is bad in design by default. We need decentralisation. Like email still has and it is also a reason wh is it so popular.

I would rather say "Give time to decentralisation". It slowly became a standard. If more people abandon abusive software.

Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by maccard on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:30AM (#35387688)
This isn't unique to WhatsApp/Meta though. Many banks require a smartphone running unrooted Android or iOS. Visa/Mastercard(and AMEX I guess) have a polyopoly(?) on cashless transactions, and have done for my entire life. Many government services here in the UK are provided by private corporations, and have been for a very long time.

Another way of thinking of it is that the value that Meta/Mastercard/Virgin/other companies that fit that description provide is so substantial that they have become intertwined with society.

The reality is likely somewhere in the middle IMO

Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by geraldhh on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:44AM (#35387903)
> Many government services here in the UK are provided by private corporations

how's that working out?

asking for a friend who thinks that for-profit healthcare was a step in the wrong direction.

Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by maccard on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:00PM (#35392692)
In my opinion, "fine" is about as far as I'd go. It's neither good nor bad. The real cause for issues over the last 20 years is the lack of sustained funding, and that applies to both public and private corporations.

> for-profit healthcare was a step in the wrong direction.

Using the words "for-profit healthcare" is a distraction from the topic.

GP's have been private since the beginning of the NHS, they're the definition of for-profit healthcare.

On the flip side, Virgin operates many of the major healthcare provdiers as an NHS service provider. I'm not saying that they're incredible, but they're doing it.

The option isn't "public", it's public and sustained funding and investment. Given the govenment of the last decade in the UK, I'm not convinced the situation would be any better if the NHS was more public than it is.

Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by eropple on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:21AM (#35388438)
> polyopoly

Oligopoly.

Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by neodypsis on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:15PM (#35391008)
Oligopoly allowed by network effects.
Re:Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of... by maccard on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:52PM (#35392568)
Yeah, that's exactly wht I mean. I knew polyopoly sounded wrong, but I couldn't figure out what the right word was!