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Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by dghughes on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:31AM (#35374290)
Also incredible most of the titanium came from the USSR but through indirect routes and suppliers with the Soviets being unaware.
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by ben7799 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:37AM (#35374423)
Which is really odd, as Titanium is not that rare.

Are we sure that story about the Titanium coming from the USSR is accurate?

Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by smburdick on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:43AM (#35374531)
I think it's mostly anecdotal (I have heard it too, but I can't think of where)

Not a metallurgist, but if I had to guess it was hard to find in large enough quantities at the time. I also understand that it's a lot harder to work with than say aluminum or steel

Speaking of which, King Louis served his guests with aluminum silverware, since at the time it was more valuable than gold due to the difficulty of extracting it at the time, despite its abundance.

Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by ckozlowski on Thursday March 30, 2023 @03:25PM (#35377700)
"Skunk Works" by Ben Rich is a first hand account by the (eventual) lead of that Lockheed division, and he describes this in his book.

https://www.amazon.com/Skunk-Works-Personal-Memoir-Lockheed/...

Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by dylan604 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:45AM (#35374564)
Why deplete your own supplies when you can use your opponents?
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by throwmeaway1212 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:43AM (#35374528)
It's a fairly well known and documented story, do you have anything similar in evidence rather than just conjecture?
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by pc86 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @02:12PM (#35376843)
"no u" isn't exactly a response engendering a constructive conversation.
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by philipkglass on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:05PM (#35374901)
Titanium is not at all rare in the Earth's crust. But turning titanium minerals into pure, ductile titanium metal is more energy intensive and complex than making most other metals:

https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Inorganic_Chemistry/...

At the time, the USSR had already invested significant effort into making titanium for submarines. Buying titanium under false pretenses was easier than increasing the domestic industrial capacity for making titanium, particularly when the plane was not going to be produced in large numbers.

Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by StrangeATractor on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:52PM (#35375669)
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by justin66 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:43PM (#35376471)
The Alfa submarine would seem to be more relevant.
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by StrangeATractor on Thursday March 30, 2023 @02:55PM (#35377353)
I don't disagree but the Piranha is damn cool. Crew of 9!
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by stametseater on Thursday March 30, 2023 @02:56PM (#35377373)
Also the Papa-class (only one built), which preceded the Alfa and remains the fastest submarine ever built. And the Sierra-class submarines which followed the Alfa class.
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by billfor on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:43PM (#35375528)
Re:Mach 3.5 Over Libya in an SR-71 Blackbird by dendrite9 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:45PM (#35376504)
There was a government arranged meeting betweeen Boeing and Soviet engineers to discuss working with titanium for the SST: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/the-titani...

In the alpine climbing world Soviet climbers used titanium gear that was considered very good and light. Some of it was from scraps and spare material, but they had access to titanium.