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Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by pigsty on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:17PM (#35366952)
It’s really well past time to start considering overdose deaths amongst addicts as suicide.

Yes, there are accidental overdoses where someone takes too much of a prescribed drug without realizing it or accidentally combines it with someone that amplifies the effect and results in death. That’s a different matter.

Many opiate addicts who die of overdose are essentially (oftentimes even openly) accepting they’ll die due to the drug someday. We treat PTSD-affected soldiers as humans who need assistance in pulling through their difficulties before making an irreversible mistake. But we treat drug addiction as a problem regarding the addiction itself, and not that people with troubled circumstances fall into drug addiction out of despair or other difficulties in life.

But I think attitudes regarding this won’t change because the US will instantly shoot ahead of the world in suicide death statistics—in a shame-based society that’s all about saving face like the US, that’s simply not going to happen.

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by heavyset_go on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:33PM (#35367133)
"Deaths of despair" accurately groups together suicides, overdoses, deaths due to alcoholism etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_despair

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by huitzitziltzin on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:30PM (#35367108)
> start considering overdose deaths amongst addicts as suicide.

What in the world would that accomplish? Does this framing help us reduce these “suicides” ? Or is your proposal a way of helping us think there’s nothing we can do and ignoring it?

On the contrary it seems to me like an extremely unhelpful way of framing the problem.

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by nine_k on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:46PM (#35367241)
It will frame such deaths in a different way, with a different idea of prevention
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by tshaddox on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:36PM (#35367153)
Do we have good generalized methods for preventing suicide that could be applied to drug overdoses if we started considering them to be suicides? I would have guessed the opposite: that there are specific, targeted methods for treating drug addiction, and that preventing other suicides could be improved by better identifying proximate causes rather than lumping them all together.
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by chasd00 on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:54PM (#35367294)
The difference is people set out to commit suicide but drug overdoses are accidental. You can’t get to someone before the overdose because you(and they) never know when they’re going to.
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by pigsty on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:17AM (#35368363)
A problem is a lot of heavy addicts fully accept that they’ll die from it. It’s like closing your eyes while driving or playing Russian roulette once a week. There’s no guarantee you’ll die that time, but it’s likely going to happen someday unless someone intervenes or your life changes in a way that you no longer want to take that gamble.

Treating opiate addiction as someone on the path to suicide would be very different than framing them as a criminal or hopelessly diseased (the “progressive” model of addiction that took over the criminal model). But clearly there’s a lot of opposition to that idea, even here.

Some people hide their addiction well. Some don’t and are surrounded by friends and family who are aware of their struggle but don’t know how to help. It’s in many cases less surprising than people want to think.

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by zamnos on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:30PM (#35367106)
Okay, we wave a magic wand and now they're suicide-by-fentanyl deaths when that is the case. How does that repositioning change things?

There's life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but what if there's no happiness to go after? There're no jobs to be had, the Earth is dying, Wall Street is taking all the money. Doing heroin is way easier than fixing capitalism.

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by speakfreely on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:06AM (#35373783)
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by zamnos on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:21AM (#35385354)
you could at least have responded with your own words, but you chose not to.

Anyway, yes absolutely don't be a doomer. I'm not, despite how I presented above. Life's not even worth living with that attitude. But if you're unable to even sympathize with someone else's plight, what are you even doing? How can you help them out of their pit if you can't see it?

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by maxerickson on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @11:16PM (#35367462)
The US isn't a shame society.
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by pigsty on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:26AM (#35367973)
Endless shaming of people on social media as a means to change behavior, as well as people publicly denouncing their affiliation with people who had bad behavior, shows that that claim isn’t true. America has changed.
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by maxerickson on Thursday March 30, 2023 @03:39PM (#35377837)
That's not what a shame culture is.
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by lostlogin on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:37AM (#35368036)
Or is it the ultimate shame society?
Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by blackwateragent on Thursday March 30, 2023 @03:00AM (#35369085)
> The US isn't a shame society.

Wasn't it a big thing to get people to stop fat shaming?

Re:The Horrifying Epidemic of Teen-Age Fentanyl Deaths in a ... by nradov on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:41AM (#35368071)
That's just totally wrong. The recent spike in deaths is due to accidental fentanyl poisonings. Mexican drug cartels are manufacturing counterfeit prescription pills and substituting fentanyl for the active ingredients.

https://peterattiamd.com/anthonyhipolito/