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Re:The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend... by anonyfox on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @04:21PM (#35347261)
> the climate isn't fully understood

I give you this one. There is no absolute _proof_, we only have scientific consensus of the overwhelming majority. Granted, they all can be wrong, thats the good thing about science.

Having said that, just out of curiosity watching you discuss:

Would you agree that _just in case_ all these dudes are roughly right, we all should make at least good faith attempts to stop whatever we're doing currently or change it so that it doesn't make the situation worse?

Best case, all the scientists were wrong and we made the world a cleaner place with less pollution and sustainable tech instead of using up limited resources wherever possible. Worst case: they were not only right and even underestimated the pace (happened multiple times already), but we took measures just in time and can solve the problems just-in-time.

I mean, we could expand the problem easily to not only include warming and its effects, we do have straight pollution problems right in front of us. Toxic substances sifting into nature, rivers dying, agricultural wastes poisoning the seas, piles of garbage in poorer countries where new smallpox variants can emerge, hostile bacterias that are immune to the last antibiotics we have against superimmune things, ... .

I think even if the whole global warming story would be some super world conspiracy or mathematical error at the end, many measures to reduce that thing would also help against very obvious problems we also have (or start to have).

Re:The meat industry blocked the IPCC’s attempt to recommend... by revelio on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:22AM (#35354172)
>> we only have scientific consensus of the overwhelming majority

Of who? Climatologists? They're biased and when they email each other privately they express grave doubts, stress over their own bias and dishonesty and point out that there is no consensus. Outside of climatology there's even less consensus. So claims of consensus aren't true, but consensus of people heavily biased by financial and career concerns is deeply unconvincing anyway.

>> we all should make at least good faith attempts to stop whatever we're doing currently or change it so that it doesn't make the situation worse

No? Come on, "stop whatever we're doing" is being treated as equivalent to shutting down large parts of civilization with no alternatives in sight, it's stupid to do harmful things if they aren't necessary. And all the concrete proposals are deeply harmful, even if you ignore the massive mental health impact that climate pseudo-science is having on young people.

>> we do have straight pollution problems right in front of us. Toxic substances sifting into

Sure, and those problems are probably more important to focus on than climate stuff, the fields and underlying research claims are different in these cases.

>> many measures to reduce that thing would also help against very obvious problems we also have

If it were true, nobody would care indeed, but most climate proposals are extreme and harmful. Just look at geo-engineering for an example of where this can lead.