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Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by buraktamturk on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @11:44AM (#35342914)
Legally speaking, they can't. It doesn't matter where the ship will be docking. Anything otherwise is a crime against humanity. International laws and EU laws are bigger than any Italian authority and Italian laws that has been ever established.
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by fnmron on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @11:46AM (#35342946)
Not really, italian law rules in italy, that's out of question.
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by buraktamturk on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @12:17PM (#35343455)
Not at all. Laws has to be compatible with universal laws, international treaties/laws such as UN Geneva Convention and for Italy also the EU laws. Along many other conditions such as arbitrariness.
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by tablespoon on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @04:16PM (#35347184)
> Not at all. Laws has to be compatible with universal laws, international treaties/laws such as UN Geneva Convention and for Italy also the EU laws. Along many other conditions such as arbitrariness.

No they don't. What authority enforces that?

If not other country or international body has the willingness and capability to go to war with Italy in order to enforce its opinions, and if no country is willing to shun Italy over this or Italy is fine with the shunning, then Italy can have whatever laws it likes.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by buraktamturk on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:52AM (#35353162)
They do. I do not have to convince you that 2+2=4. If you have read recent European Human Rights Court decisions, you can clearly see what kind of domestic laws is in violation of law. (Yes, I mean some domestic laws are in violation of laws)
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by tablespoon on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:16PM (#35362823)
> They do. I do not have to convince you that 2+2=4.

Yeah, because you're trying to convince me that 2+2=5.

> If you have read recent European Human Rights Court decisions, you can clearly see what kind of domestic laws is in violation of law. (Yes, I mean some domestic laws are in violation of laws)

And what's that court going to do to make Italy comply?

For instance: I can claim until I'm blue in the face that everyone has to comply with some "universal law" that I declare, and I can issue statements to that effect, but in reality that's totally meaningless because I lack the power to make others follow me. There are a lot of international bodies that makes similar claims, and similarly lack the power. Maybe those bodies persuaded you, but that doesn't matter to the unpersuaded.

International relations is literally anarchy. Sometimes there's cooperation that looks like law, and rhetoric that that claims the moral force of law, but the reality is anarchy -- which is why Putin was able to invade Ukraine and North Korea's government has remained in place for 70 years, doing things liberals find to be horrific and "illegal" the whole time.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by HailingFailing on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @01:07PM (#35344352)
The crime against humanity is that foreigners can pack themselves onto a little boat, deliberately endanger their lives by overcrowding or even deliberately taking on water, and count on our mercy and generosity to not only rescue them but give them the key to our countries. And that there is a certain people who facilitate this and fund the NGOs and their ships that go out collecting these invaders to bring them ashore. And that we may be fined or imprisoned for naming them or even noticing this treachery, or criticising our new neighbours and the effects they have on our living standards.

To hell with the law. It is supposed to represent the will of the people and be enforced in the defence of our interests and expectations. Instead it is weaponised against us by our enemies.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by drcongo on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @03:10PM (#35346270)
Why did you feel the need to create a new account to post this?
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by TheLoafOfBread on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @03:48PM (#35346808)
Because he is correct
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by 6510 on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:18PM (#35348014)
they don't necessarily get to see the travel accommodations before paying
Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by MattPalmer1086 on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:32PM (#35348221)
Yeah, those criminal migrants. How dare they risk their lives in small boats. It's almost like they had a really good reason to do it.

Where is your humanity, your compassion?

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by HailingFailing on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @09:39PM (#35350939)
Yes, criminal migrants. Where is your compassion for the indigenous Europeans being assaulted, raped and murdered every day by violent strangers who have no place being anywhere near us? For those being pushed out of their ancestral homelands, crippled by the socioeconomic conditions that follow, demoralised by the loss of culture and community? For our grandchildren who will have no place on earth to live in peace and harmony among their own kind if current demographic trends continue?

My compassion has limits. There's no humanity in ethnomasochistic suicide to serve the interests of foreigners at the expense of your own family. That doesn't make you a good person, it makes you a traitor.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by MattPalmer1086 on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:31PM (#35363080)
There is no evidence that migrants commit more crime than native people, violent or not.

You say you are worried that your grandchildren will have no place to live among their "own kind". Being human not enough?

Frankly you sound like a racist.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by HailingFailing on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:40AM (#35371149)
Yes, I am racist. Of course I am. I care far far more about my family than I ever will a Sudanese stranger.

It doesn't make you hip to pretend that millions of Africans and Asians pouring into our countries is wonderful for us. It makes you a suicidally naive moron.

Follow "Every Day" on Telegram if you want a daily baby step into the realities of blacks living near our own. It's horrific. And you support it with your unforgivably wilful ignorance.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by MattPalmer1086 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:52AM (#35371207)
I'm sad you feel that way, but I guess I won't change your mind with any arguments I might make.

For myself, I see myself primarily as a human, not a white human, or a male human, or an English human, although they all contribute to my identity. I just don't see those things as of primary importance, and are merely accidents.

Re:Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for ... by HailingFailing on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:55AM (#35371900)
Your enemies do.

That's why London and Birmingham are unrecognisable as English cities any more. That's why you'll be visited by police if you complain on social media that none of your neighbours speak English. That's why your grandchildren will be minorities in the land their fathers have been building, advancing and protecting for thousands of generations.

Until you came along. You probably don't even have any kids. Too smart for that!

But your enemies do. The ones telling you all about how shortsighted, expensive, mundane and selfish it would be to have kids, and that climate change is going to end the world anyway, and that if you absolutely must have kids you have a duty to miscegenate? Well they all have plenty of kids. So does the Muslim guy down the street. And the Indian family next door. Not you though.

I hope you snap out of it one day. The most important realisation you can have is that a lot of people hate you. I don't mean playground teasing hatred. I mean genocidal hatred. Slow, torturous, humiliating extinction hatred. And they have your politicians, bankers, and media by the balls.

Remember: They all hate you.

Imagine your ancestors looking down on you, having toiled for literal millennia to get us in the privileged position we're in, only for you to spit in their faces calling it an "accident". Imagine their disgust as you throw it all away to serve the interests of foreigners who hate us.