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Re:Apple Music Classical by bmmayer1 on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @10:29AM (#35341713)
Beyond pricing, what's their strategy here trying to unbundle music? Are they going to release a different music app for every genre? If it's just a classical app, does that mean I now have to use two apps to switch between music based on genre? What benefit is there other than slightly better UX which presumably could be bundled in an existing app.
Re:Apple Music Classical by netrus on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @10:38AM (#35341853)
Wildly different meta data and needs for search. With classical music, it's a standard use case to search music composed by X. For most other genres, no one ever searches for a composer. On the other hand, there will hundreds of performances of the same piece, and listeners will want to scroll though them, instead of just seeing the 1-3 most famous renditions of a song. Or you want songs from a specific conductor or with a specific solist. All of this makes classical music very distinct, while search pattern for most other genres are kind of similar.
Re:Apple Music Classical by herodotus on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @10:46AM (#35341992)
> What benefit is there other than slightly better UX

The way people (like me) listen to classical music is different from the way they listen to other kinds of music. For example, I might want to listen to Beethoven's String Quartet No. 12. This has four movements, and I want the player to play from movement 1 through movement 4 once I touch the play button. This is very different from wanting to play (say) Price Tag by Jessie J which is one track.

Furthermore, the meta data standards for music do not work that well for classical music. It requires some thoughtful manipulation to present the meta data correctly for this genre. For example, if you search for Mozart's Don Giovanni on Apple Music, and you are looking for a particular track, you may see something like this:

"1. Mozart, Don Giovanni Act ....." "2. Mozart, Don Giovanni Act ....." "3. Mozart, Don Giovanni Act ....."

Now the "Track Title" meta data field for track 2 probably has something like this:

"2. Mozart, Don Giovanni Act 1: Notte e giorno faticar"

If the programmers of Apple Music had read the spec carefully, they would have learned that the part of the track title after the colon is the actual track title, so they should show that first.

There are other issues with the meta data, but I tried the Apple Classical music player last night, and it is good. Finally a music player that works for me, not against me.

Re:Apple Music Classical by pwinnski on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @11:18AM (#35342483)
I decided to check this out. I searched for "Don giovanni" and my first match was under "Works", telling me that "Don Giovanni" by W. A. Mozart (little pic of him), K. 527, is available in 1,182 tracks. Second match, amusingly, was "Don Juan" by "C. W. Gluck," Wq. 52, available in 17 tracks.

Choosing Don Giovanni, I get a link to see more by Wolgang Amadeus Mozart, and a detailed description of Don Giovanni, K. 527, KV527. There's an Editor's Choice recording by Teodor Currentzis from 2016 (79 tracks, 2 hr 50 min), or five (with See All) Popular Recordings from 1960, 1986, 1991, 1960 again, and 1966, ranging from 2 hr 38 min (Herbert von Karajan, Vienna Philharmonic) to 3 hr (Philharmonia Orchestra). I'll choose the Editor's Choice.

Album art up top, I see (in dim gray) "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart," (in large white type) "Don Giovanni, K. 527," and (in gray, but larger than the composer) "Teodor Currentzis," along with tiny type tell me that this was released in 2016 and is in Hi-Res Lossless. Then a large Play button, no Shuffle button as the normal Music app has.

The tracks are "Ouvertura" (5:12), Notte e giorno faticar (No. 1, Introduzione: Leporello) (1:30), Non sperar... you know what? You get the idea. The metadata is presented perfectly.

Last night I was listening to Rachmaninoff Symphony No. 2 by the London Symphony Orchestra, Sir Simon Rattle conducting, and it was presented perfectly as well.[0] And it sounded wonderful!

0. https://i.imgur.com/XEZn2My.jpg

Re:Apple Music Classical by dexterdog on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @12:01PM (#35343195)
> The way people (like me) listen to classical music is different from the way they listen to other kinds of music. For example, I might want to listen to Beethoven's String Quartet No. 12. This has four movements, and I want the player to play from movement 1 through movement 4 once I touch the play button. This is very different from wanting to play (say) Price Tag by Jessie J which is one track.

How is this any different from listening to an album or any other logical grouping of tracks with an order?

Re:Apple Music Classical by squeaky-clean on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @02:40PM (#35345851)
It's more than a track but less than an album. If I just want to play Vivaldi's "Summer" that's typically done as 3 tracks for the 1 song. But the album it is on will almost always be the full 4 seasons suite, consisting of 4 songs / 12 movements (tracks). I can also see all the hundreds of different recordings of just those 3 movements in Summer.
Re:Apple Music Classical by slaymaker1907 on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @05:45PM (#35348378)
There may be several layers of grouping, particularly for opera. There are multiple acts per opera, multiple scenes per act, and there may be multiple songs per scene. If you try and list these as a single "album" you end up with abominations like my favorite recording of Die Walküre with 53 tracks. They try and stick everything in the track name, but on mobile this sometimes hides important information behind the "...".
Re:Apple Music Classical by squeaky-clean on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @02:37PM (#35345791)
You can still listen to classical in the regular music app, all of these tracks and albums are in the main app. But if you find a recording you really like and want to check out more stuff by that composer or the conductor, or the performers... Well conventional streaming app UI and search kind of sucks for that.

For example one of my most played artists on Apple music is "Various Artists" ;p