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Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by roenxi on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:38AM (#35339074)
I can think of one - banning superior foreign products and services mean that people have to use inferior local substitutes. Just because the CCP doesn't want Chinese people to use the best available products is no reason to deny them to Americans. Americans should have access to the best products that they can afford.

This logic is "they make themselves worse off, so we should match them". That is lose-lose scenario logic.

That being said, there is always an argument for banning foreign social media companies (really all media companies) from making commercial profits in other countries. The political and military risks are significant.

Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by r-w on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:46AM (#35339193)
When the product is commercializing and manipulating its users, though, things aren’t so clear. Is it a gift, or a Trojan horse? That’s the open question here, regardless of Congress’s demagogic motives.
Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by int_19h on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @08:09PM (#35365832)
Let the government publish studies proving that it is a Trojan horse. And then let the users decide if the proof is convincing.
Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by walkhour on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:51AM (#35339250)
> banning superior foreign products and services mean that people have to use inferior local substitutes.

TikTok is only superior in poisoning the minds of people using it here in US. That's why the Chinese version is different. I think zero is lost if people use the inferior local ones in this case.

> This logic is "they make themselves worse off, so we should match them". That is lose-lose scenario logic.

Sure, the optimal solution for the prisoner's dilemma is that both cooperate. But once one doesn't cooperate, the optimal solution is not to cooperate. US looks like a dummy waving the flag of morality while China laughs in its face.

Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by t-writescode on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @12:52PM (#35344084)
TikTok is superior in rapidly distributing relatively niche information to enormous quantities of interested parties.

I believe the current recommended example is "Go look up France on TikTok vs look up France on Instagram"

Addendum: TikTok is also superior at dynamically generating an advertisable collective that are specifically interested and desiring of the ads they're given. Five million small businesses found their place on TikTok entirely because they found their 2000-person size niche that would be interested in buying their product, and even encouraged them to buy it.

Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by hooverd on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @01:19PM (#35344552)
Personally, I think TikTok is just responding to market forces in America. It's clearly delivering what people want in an app.
Re:The TikTok ban is a betrayal of the open internet by andrekandre on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @02:13PM (#35345404)

  > poisoning the minds of people using it here in US
in what way is tiktok poisoning the minds of people?