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Re:After a decade, South Dakota's Amish are moving on by sacnoradhq on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @12:19AM (#35335860)
Utopias don't and can't exist.

Trying to shun technology is the ultimate form of becoming a purist hipster.

Add magical thinking, now it's merely unreasonableness grounded in superstition.

Also:

- Believe they're better than others and everyone else is "bad" for not believing as they do

- Endorse the abdication of personal responsibility

- Reject science

- Justify any cruelty, suffering, or subjugation on the basis of a manufactured mythology, including forcing a raped child to give birth rather than have an abortion "because grey bearded dude in the sky and a magical book say so"

- Coerce people to surrender their autonomy and control them

- Various forms of what is essentially human trafficking

Let me recount:

- Al-Qaeda

- ISIS

- Branch Davidians

- Moonies

- Scientology

- Heaven's Gate

- NXIVM

- The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project (Jonestown)

- Rajneeshpuram

- Seventh-day Adventists (most people have no idea how brutal they were)

- Catholicism for thousands of years, how many 100's of millions were slaughtered in the Old World and the New. (Albigensian Crusade anyone?)

- Islam and Catholicism are close in terms of attributable deaths (piles of heads after raiding sultan armies, Armenian Genocide)

- LDS

- FLDS

The exceptional few least likely to murder, rape, or exploit anyone:

- Sikh

- Jainism

- Episcopal

^- Benign as they may seem, it's still a weakness by surrendering critical thinking over to fantasy.

Re:After a decade, South Dakota's Amish are moving on by llanowarelves on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @01:02AM (#35336142)
Your list of the extreme/woo edges is pretty well-rounded but it's Eurocentric and missing a few famous ones like Aum Shinrikyo, Sabbateans/Frankists, cargo cults, voodoo, etc.

Also putting Islam, Catholicism, and LDS in the same list as the others would be like me putting similarly more mainstream Orthodox Jews in that list, just because of some cases of organ trafficking[0] or a "child rape assembly line"[1] in a few churches, or circumcision (which is viewed as genital mutilation in most of the world). And the careful adoption of technology (which I admire for the same reason as Amish). So not really appropriate to cluster more mainstream with the marginal cults side-by-side like that because it's disproportionate.

According to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher behind the 2004 US Department of Education study[2] (if you can find a newer one, I'd like to see it), educators likely do 10-100x the abuse as priests. She's appeared on Oprah and NPR.

[0][https://www.smh.com.au/world/organ-trafficking-rabbis-arrest...

[1]https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assemb...

[2]https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/...

Re:After a decade, South Dakota's Amish are moving on by AlecSchueler on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @07:37AM (#35339062)
Is it really far out to put catholicism in there? More than 5% of catholic priests in the US between 1950 and 2002 were involved in sexual abuse cases. We know that sexual abuse numbers are vastly underreported and we can imagine that the religious/community aspects make it even more difficult.

In Ireland the church even operated mass graves for the children they neglected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_c...