In sense of buying drugs?

Yeah sure still not society relevant.

And look what happens in Germany, it's much better to push for legalization.

People need to stand up for rights

Bullshit, they existed both before the crypto and before the Internet itself. It's just a bit more convenient, but otherwise it's just the same as it was: give money to one man, take money/goods from other man and how exactly they settle their accounts is none of your business.

Fortunately I don’t think anyone is concerned with what libertarians consider a “big win”.

Except for libertarians? Personally, as a libertarian this is all I need -- a win for myself.

Not all libertarians. Any libertarian is of course free to decide for themself if it's a win or not. Some may, and some may not.

Yes, crypto's main use is crime. It's supporters have various arguments for why crime is actually good.

Crypto is a technology that offers just one thing: electronic payments without anything unneessary bundled with it. Crypto is a model of what banking should be.

For comparison, to use a bank card you first need to provide all your details to bank which can share them with anyone they want, and then your application can be rejected for arbitrary reasons. And after this again the bank can share information about anything you bought with the card. There is even an official organization for sharing data about consumers loan history and this is totally not a crime in our weird society.

> Yes, crypto's main use is crime.

It is quite a very poor use with such "crime" happening all on a public and transparent blockchain, making it very easy to trace all of that (even if they use a tumbler / mixer) with the funds certainly seized and frozen as soon as it hits the exchange.

In fact criminals and scammers still use banks and Zelle to facilitate their criminal enterprise - [0] [1] in the trillions of dollars.

[0] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/fincen-fil...

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/business/payments-fraud-z...

So why do so many ransomware gangs want payment in Bitcoin?

Perhaps they want to get themselves traced on a public ledger and to join the long list of gangs caught and arrested by the authorities each week?

Once again, Bitcoin is worse for scammers, criminals and ransomware than using Zelle and the banks for fraud.

You should be asking why the banks continue to move trillions of dollars of illicit funds for criminals for years without them doing anything. Same with Zelle.

And Square.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-dorsey-block-loses-20-16...

I suppose you'd have told Ms Parks to shut up and get off the bus if avoiding crime is all that's good for society?

What a childish argument

It's a depressing reality that most adults will not progress past stage 4 in Kohlberg's moral reasoning.

The law however arbitrary and flawed is the source of morals for most adults.

George Carlin said it best with “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

Sadly there are many more simple minded people like this than people who understand nuance and know that legal doesn't always equal right. Even more terrifying, people like this can vote.

Crime is relative. Homosexual relationships are criminal in a significant portion of the world, along with many other activities that you may support.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist."

Crypto's main use is crime insofar as its main use is denying monopolistic/governmental control, and anything that the government bans is a crime.

You live in a bubble if you think projects working on blockchains as Ethereum or Bitcoin are only used for crime. USD is still the #1 FIAT used for crime.

"A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it" --Jean de La Fontaine.

With sufficient tracking of non-cryptocurrencies and physical goods governments could largely kill dark net markets by making it too hard to buy anything physical with your cryptocurrency. Imagine KYC but applied to every transaction instead of just large ones.

Making dark markets too easy isn't a win for personal liberty. Its a step on the road to a dystopia with little personal liberty or privacy because every time something seriously bad happens a few due to dark markets that would not have been possible in the legal markets the general public will demand something be done about it, which will result in government being granted more power.

No need for dark markets. We will get there anyway. Government doesn't need people to demand it.