The Undeniable Street View

Re:The Undeniable Street View by yks on Sunday March 26, 2023 @10:34AM (#35314846)

Westerners deciding in droves that their governments are the worst and Russia is never at fault is suspicious though. I guess if those Westerners equally despised Russia, that would show some integrity, but what we see is people “deciding” to assist Russia in its endeavors even when those endeavors are stealing foreign children. Like when there was a post about ICC’s warrant for Putin here, of course the commenters arrived with “how dare the West prosecute crimes”

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Re:The Undeniable Street View by fauxpause_ on Sunday March 26, 2023 @12:39PM (#35316432)

Roger Waters, the Pink Floyd frontman falls into this group. It sucks. The guy who wrote so much about the negative impact of war. But then you think about how much hatred he seemed to have for his government and it’s not hard to see him falling for any narrative that supports that view.

It sucks. Humans just suck. Bigotry is just a subset of the same misguided reasoning that 95% of people seem to use for forming their opinions.

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Re:The Undeniable Street View by pydry on Sunday March 26, 2023 @02:29PM (#35317750)

>Westerners deciding in droves that their governments are the worst and Russia is never at fault is suspicious though. I guess if those Westerners equally despised Russia, that would show some integrity

This was the Soviet attitude to dissident Andrei Sakharov. Because he said he did not care about American atrocities, and that he only had an opinion on Soviet atrocities, they used this to discredit him.

Do you think the Soviets were correct to vilify him for this?

>Like when there was a post about ICC’s warrant for Putin here, of course the commenters arrived with “how dare the West prosecute crimes”

The ICC is basically the league of nations: toothless and symbolic to a wild extreme. The fact that the US authorized an invasion of the Hague in the event any US servicemen were arrested for war crimes kind of makes it even more ridiculous on top.

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Re:The Undeniable Street View by yks on Sunday March 26, 2023 @03:31PM (#35318577)

If you’re upset that the war crimes of a country A against country B are left unpunished, it is still immoral to condone war crimes perpetrated by a country C against country D.

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Re:The Undeniable Street View by pydry on Sunday March 26, 2023 @03:49PM (#35318781)

It is, yes, but it's a moot point because nobody is getting punished here.

To the rest of the world, a court that picks sides and issues symbolic arrest warrants isnt a real court at all.

If country A undermines international law that opens the door for country C to commit atrocities with impunity.

If country A's citizens only condemn country C then they're only interested in mob justice.

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Re:The Undeniable Street View by fauxpause_ on Monday March 27, 2023 @08:31AM (#35325834)

If country C is committing crimes at 100x the magnitude it’s worth realizing that maybe the law is powerless but that doesn’t need to drive our feelings towards which countries are the bad actors.

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