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Re:The Undeniable Street View by M4v3R on Sunday March 26, 2023 @06:43AM (#35313027)
> It's a form of propaganda to shame anyone who doesn't believe things unconditionally.

Not necessarily. If someone doesn’t believe something that is universally believed and for what there exist undeniable evidence (for example the fact that the Earth is round) then shaming this kind of thinking is not propaganda, it’s just stating the fact.

Re:The Undeniable Street View by colordrops on Sunday March 26, 2023 @07:18AM (#35313213)
No, everything, absolutely everything must be ascertained with a critical eye, backed by evidence. Even the curvature of the earth, which thankfully is relatively easy to prove to yourself. Nevertheless, it does not have special status compared to any other piece of knowledge. You can excuse people for mistakenly believing in falsehoods like flat earth when the wool is being actively pulled over their eyes in a dozen other ways, from religion, political propaganda, corporate lies for profit, and predatory employment practices. Why are shame and insults fair game for flat earth but not Christianity or unquestioning patriotism or support for capitalism? Shame and insults only cause people to dig in their heels deeper. If your goal is to raise the veil of ignorance you are failing. Everyone is ignorant in many ways.

And your point isn't even relevant. Scientific facts and politically charged events aren't even remotely the same when it comes to ascertaining truth value. Never in history has there been a war where only one side spews propaganda.

Re:The Undeniable Street View by flohofwoe on Sunday March 26, 2023 @07:42AM (#35313402)
Sorry, but an idiot needs to be called out for being an idiot, no matter if it is about science or politics.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by colordrops on Sunday March 26, 2023 @07:45AM (#35313430)
The irony of your statement is thick.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by luckylion on Sunday March 26, 2023 @09:22AM (#35314152)
> Even the curvature of the earth, which thankfully is relatively easy to prove to yourself.

Do you test it each time someone claims that it's flat? I doubt it.

> Why are shame and insults fair game for flat earth but not Christianity

Where have you been living the last 50 years? Christianity is absolutely fair game, at least in the West (or maybe the Western West? you'll have different reactions in Poland). Best to reach for Islam if you want a religion you're in theory allowed to make fun of but not in practice. But even there, it's not society that punishes it, it's a small number of extremists that the mainstream tolerates for political reasons.

And you're not allowed to criticize capitalism? One of us really must've jumped dimensions recently.

> Everyone is ignorant in many ways.

But it's not really the same. There's a difference between "I have no clue how DNA works" and "gravity does not exist and we're just not falling into space because the government has people with invisibility cloaks holding us down".

Re:The Undeniable Street View by colordrops on Sunday March 26, 2023 @10:23AM (#35314743)
False flags do not fit into the same category as gravity not existing. The former has mounds of precedence.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by jstanley on Sunday March 26, 2023 @09:16AM (#35314097)
> If someone doesn’t believe something that is universally believed

If someone doesn't believe something that is universally believed then it's not universally believed.

Re:The Undeniable Street View by akimball on Sunday March 26, 2023 @09:53AM (#35314467)
Stating facts is a common technique employed in propaganda.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by adolph on Sunday March 26, 2023 @10:38AM (#35314895)
> shaming this kind of thinking is not propaganda

Yes, it is either psychological warfare or some for of bullying to puff your sense of self. If one were confident in the facts, then manipulation using shame wouldn’t be needed. Perhaps the person using shame as argumentation should reflect on whether they really hold a belief or if they enjoy professing facts in ignorance.