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Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by ononon on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:05PM (#35307345)
yea it’s basically bc masculinity (courage, independent thinking) = bad to people in power so they publish this kind of crap all day every day
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by taurawah on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:13PM (#35307437)
weird thing to suggest that courage and independent thinking are masculine traits
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by nyrikki on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:18PM (#35307494)
“The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready is he to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.” - Eric Hoffer The True Believer
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by gordian-mind on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:51PM (#35307807)
Is it wrong or is it true? What's weird is your choice of words.
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by nyrikki on Saturday March 25, 2023 @06:28PM (#35308155)
Claims about masculinity are often defined in opposition to ideas about femininity.

The claim that woman cannot be courageous or independent thinkers is wrong.

And as for societal ideals, specifically in response to a post showing that the concept of being a leader through aggression is also wrong.

Aggression is often a response to fear.

Fear is a secondary emotion, typically a response to pain or fear.

I personally view aggressive behavior and the attempt to gain status through aggression as a reason to pity someone far more than it ever makes me respect them.

If aggression is your primary method of gaining status you are not courageous, you are weak and lashing out.

I pity those people because they tend to undervalued their own merits and instead of having the courage to lead by example or to be confident in their positions they have to resort to methods ranging from name calling to physical violence.

A true leader doesn't need to resort to unrestrained fear based responses to gain or maintain status.

By definition those who have to resort to aggression are weak and full of self doubt.

Actions based on fear are not the actions of confident individuals but the actions of cowards resorting to letting fear drive their lives.

Which is exactly why the original studies found 'alpha' behaviors in stressed populations.

If you read the above papers you will find that in wolves, submission for the betterment of the pack takes much more courage than aggression.

Incels tend to like the 'alpha' concept because it is justification for not stepping up and accepting that they have caused many of their own problems.

It is only viewed as 'courage' to other individuals with low self worth.

If you truly believe that aggression is courageous I sincerely suggest you work on looking at the examples of truly courageous people and not seeking the approval of low esteem individuals who make other low self esteem individuals feel better by idealizing fear based outbursts. Bullies are pitiful creatures who have to resort victimizing others to feel better about themselves.

Typically people who yield to bullies don't respect them and those who aren't filled with self doubt simply pity them.

Aggression for personal gain is a sign of weakness and doesn't relate to the concepts you mentioned.

Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by jccalhoun on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:01PM (#35310351)
Do you have any evidence you can provide that it is true?
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by gordian-mind on Sunday March 26, 2023 @04:55PM (#35319493)
If it was true, would it be weird to mention it?
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by YeGoblynQueenne on Sunday March 26, 2023 @06:40AM (#35313006)
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Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by gordian-mind on Sunday March 26, 2023 @04:54PM (#35319479)
If I tell you "men are stronger than women", do you think that showing me a strong woman will invalidate my claim?
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday March 27, 2023 @01:26PM (#35329537)
I'm sorry, are we talking about physical strength or courage and independent thinking? I'm confused.
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by gordian-mind on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:09PM (#35360143)
Wait, who's talking about what? Who are you?