I get that loop daily with full on the latest Chrome with no extensions on a fully patched Mac from a residential IP address that isn't blacklisted anywhere (minus the usual ISP residential IP SMTP blacklist).

Totally frustrating that Cloudflare is basically the Internet's biggest gatekeeper with a mysterious black box behind it that punishes legitimate users.

I wish more of the HN crowd would understand that Cloudflare were never the good guys. Their business model has always been man-in-the-middle the entire internet.

Every site you put behind Cloudflare contributes to the future where they have the singular ability to decide what networks can connect to others.

It’s not like that’s a secret, it’s the whole point of their service.

The obvious sometimes needs repeating lest we forget the forest for the trees.

How could anyone who regularly uses the internet forget that Cloudflare is acting as an intermediary between X and Y?

You are right, it does need repeating. Centralized control, means that at some point, they can decide to abuse that power to do whatever they want and at everyone else's expense. They can decide access, what can be seen, or what the "new" rules are and despite any objections.

> Every site you put behind Cloudflare contributes to the future where they have the singular ability to decide what networks can connect to others.

Except for the fact that you can disable Cloudflare on your site anytime you choose.

Yeah, but I can't disable it on your site.

OMG, same here!

Its likely this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-protection-agai...

You might be interested in a plugin to toggle the fingerprint protection: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/toggle-resist-fi...

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34952279

Thanks for the links. I actually have had `privacy.resistFingerprinting` set to false.

Cloudflare is allowing itself to be used as an enforcement tool for third parties, which quickly becomes a rabbit hole for censorship. When the validity of claims made by third parties don't have to be legally proven, it becomes "Do as I tell you to!" Whoever or whatever we say censor, you do. Instead of going directly to the party they have an issue with, they simply use Cloudflare to do their bidding. They pull the strings, Cloudflare becomes the dumb censor tool. That's also what's going on with Quad9 (DNS resolver). Certain parties don't want to legally prove a claim, they want to force censorship whenever they say so.

> The Kafkaesque Cloudflare "prove you're a human" infinite loop is hopefully not a foreshadowing of an imminent Internet dystopia, with Cloudflare the vanguard of it.

The "prove you're a human" glitch, should be a really obvious fix, that lots of users have continuously complained about for a while. You would think that once proven human, that means access to the site. Somehow, Cloudflare has shown no interest in fixing it. In fact, they appear to have more interest in destroying user privacy and protections, using access to a site as the carrot. A lot of the webmasters seem to be getting overzealous or don't have a clear understanding of how they affect users. Cloudflare appears to not be helping, but rather pushing tools and settings to promote sales, so we get user nightmares like "prove you're a human" infinity glitches.

It's only a matter of time until CloudFlare have a monopoly and so begin to abuse that. See Google Ads and search as examples. I think CloudFlare have already crossed that line, and we'll see them begin to exploit and abuse it more and more as time goes forward.