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Re:Judge Decides Against Internet Archive by LilyFrenchPants on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:37AM (#35303053)
Thank you for telling me what I have the right to do with my uterus. You really put me in my place. I was so wrong before.

LFP

Re:Judge Decides Against Internet Archive by Xeoncross on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:42AM (#35303099)
You can do whatever you would like with your uterus (or any other body part), just please don't kill anyone in the process.
Re:Judge Decides Against Internet Archive by dctoedt on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:55AM (#35303231)
> just please don't kill anyone in the process.

Ah, there's the rub: How to define "anyone."

(In my 1960s Catholic family, my parents encouraged us four kids to discuss issues of the day at the dinner table. One night the discussion was about abortion, and specifically, when does a fetus become human. My dad joked that he often wondered whether fetuses didn't become human until they could cut their own meat ....)

Re:Judge Decides Against Internet Archive by starkd on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:45AM (#35303127)
Well, thanks for the strawman. When you debate in strawman arguments, you block constructive debate from moving forward. The issue is one of judicial discernment. It is the ability for a supreme court to make up rights not written into the constitution. This is not difficult to recognize, whether you are pro-choice or pro-life. The correct place for this is in legislation. It is an emotional topic that is constantly evolving. What is going to happen when a fetus can survive in an artificial womb? We are a long way from that, but that is something a council of unelected justices should not have to rule on.
Re:Judge Decides Against Internet Archive by cbozeman on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:44PM (#35304411)
> What is going to happen when a fetus can survive in an artificial womb?

We're going to see a wave of hilariously (in the worst possible way) maladapted babies, because I'm almost certain we'll find that the constant "noise" of the mother's body, plus hormonal changes, are critically important for proper development.

Sure, maybe researchers and scientists will factor all of this into the development of such a technology, but so far Humanity doesn't have a good track record with getting everything right on the first go-round.

Re:Judge Decides Against Internet Archive by cbozeman on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:42PM (#35304377)
You don't have the right to kill another person. You don't even have the right to kill most animals without sufficient reason (hence hunting permits, fines for not properly caring for agricultural animals, etc.).

The point, which ought to be obvious to HN readers - and would have been 10 years ago - is that we as a nation never sat down and decided, "What constitutes a person?"

Personally I'm on board for telling you what you can do with your uterus in the same way European nations are - you have 12 weeks to decide. After that, you keep the baby and it's illegal to abort it. I believe every single one of the vaunted Scandinavian nations has a 12 week limit on abortion. Many tech people want to model society after them, so there you go. Start there.