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Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by csomar on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:15PM (#35298044)
My experience is that this is a lost cause. AirBnB will always favor the host guilty or not. They provide no support for the end user.

Everyone hates AirBnB now. The only problem is there is no sensible replacement available for it. Anything that claims so is 2x more expensive. Otherwise, for short stays (2-5 days and unless you are a family) a hotel is cheaper now.

What you can do is, in the future, replace your credit card with some dumb Debit Card. And pay with Apple Pay.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by toomanyrichies on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:56PM (#35298343)
Out of curiosity, how does paying with Apple Pay circumvent this issue? I’m 6 months into a year-long nomading trip and would love to avoid a similar fate as OP.

And is Apple Pay alone sufficient to solve the issue, or is it the combo of debit card AND Apple Pay?

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by mike_d on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:31PM (#35298609)
Never use a debit card outside of your home country (or really for any purchase). Credit cards have far stronger consumer protections and don't provide direct access to your bank account.
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by anonzzzies on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:14AM (#35299299)
I charged back on debit cards quite often. Outside and inside my home country. But agreed; use credit normally; less hassle. I would’ve not paid these things like OP has and charge it back; let them come after me (they won’t anyway).
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by csomar on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:15PM (#35298480)
My understanding is that Apple Pay just gives permission to pay the presented bill. Unlike adding a Credit Card which they can charge without notice. The trick I am using is Gift Cards. I've been in a 1.5 year-long nomading trip so far and paying with Gift cards only.
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by mike_d on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:30PM (#35298603)
> The only problem is there is no sensible replacement available for it.

Hotels? They are already a regulated entity in most parts of the world for good reason.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by sacnoradhq on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:38PM (#35298670)
Yep. Airbnb's heyday was 2010-2014.

There are too many money-grubbing, anti-social, weirdo hosts who don't clean the linen. In a hotel, at least you have recourse and can switch rooms.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by hifromLA on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:29AM (#35300353)
Honestly that early to mid 2010 period was a great time to use VC funded services. They all pretty much ended up going south once they had to make money for real.
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by csomar on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:23PM (#35298976)
For 2-5 days, sure. But for 1+ month, it's way more expensive than what AirBnB proposes. If you are digitally nomading around the world, there are little options left.
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by quickthrower2 on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:58PM (#35299192)
Maybe talk to locals? Look at local ads. Maybe it is a good thing in a way. Would make travelling more esoteric and less like ordering a latte
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by csomar on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:55AM (#35299578)
That's what I do. I start the relation with AirBnB then hit a deal with them later. You can do the "talk" but you are shopping around and AirBnB allows you to be very efficient at that.
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by anonzzzies on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:10AM (#35299271)
Probably depends where but everywhere I have been, just walking into a small hotel and doing a deal with the owner was almost always cheaper than any airbnb around given similar quality/size (and includes breakfast usually and of course cleaning daily; in Thailand they even threw in laundry once a week).

And yes, indeed talk with locals if no hotels: I stayed for cheap/free for months with locals who were just lonely.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by eek2121 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:23PM (#35310067)
FYI long term hotels are a thing. I've encountered them in most areas I've visited. There is one near me that charges $190/week. Some don't offer housekeeping, etc, however they are quite common. The one near me includes all utilities except any type of TV, and does not include housekeeping.

My first home away from home was a long term hotel FYI. They are definitely common, they just tend to fly under the radar, especially since many allow pets and possibly smoking depending on the area.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by 2rsf on Monday March 27, 2023 @07:37AM (#35325356)
Not for larger families, if you have a family of 4 or 5 than you'll need two rooms which will double the price.
Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by edmundsauto on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:33AM (#35299434)
Yes, the host owns the asset that is monetized. They are more important to keep happy than a guest, because the host controls an (often) million dollar bit of capital.

It sucks as a guest, the only solution is to either accept that you are just a magstripe or to stay in a hotel.

Long stays are difficult but I recommend furnishedfinders.con as an alternative.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by akvadrako on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:00AM (#35300813)
There are plenty of alternatives to AirBnB. Even booking.com has single apartments from individual owners who set their own rates. Last vacation I took (skiing in France) they were cheaper than AirBnB.

There is also https://fairbnb.coop/ and independent vacation rental websites.

Re:Tell HN: Airbnb can charge you anything and there is noth... by 2rsf on Monday March 27, 2023 @07:36AM (#35325346)
Friends booked a house through booking, the house was not what promised, they complained to Booking that forwarded the complaint to the owners saying they can't be involved.